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Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, 2+0.25 Tournament, 25/50 Blinds (8 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop | saw showdown

MP1 (t2370)
Hero (MP2) (t6405)
CO (t3030)
Button (t2480)
SB (t12710)
villain 3 (BB) (t3335)
Villain 2 (UTG) (t2850)
UTG+1 (t2750)

Hero's M: 85.40

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K, K
Villain 2 bets t100, 2 folds, Hero raises to t150, 2 folds, SB calls t125, villain 3 calls t100, Villain 2 calls t50

Flop: (t600) 8, Q, 8 (4 players)
SB bets t50, villain 3 calls t50, Villain 2 raises to t2700 (All-In), Hero folds, 2 folds

Total pot: t750

Results:
Villain 2 didn't show
Outcome: Villain 2 won t750

Ok this is 12th hand of the SNG i have only those 12 hands to judge players tracking software gives me nothing
Villain 1 played a fairly loose game so far
Villain 2 lost a few hundred chips chaseing a busted flush draw abought 3 hands back
Villain 3 called to the turn on 6 of 11 hands

my table image i limped 77 in second hand and hit a 7 on flop for top set got all chips in and doubled up other than that no hand played

pre flop i maybe should have made a larger raise but with what i thought was fairly tight image so far didnt want to scare too many off

after the flop Villain 1's small raise had me slightly nervous but not off my hand was running through my head why such a small raise
Villain 3's call meant nothing small bet small call np

Villain 2's raise though i think i was comitted to playing too tight to be honest
factoring in another 2700 chips and trying to work out the value useing ICM in a pinch ( a theory i do not fully grasp yet but am trying to implement into my tourney play) i thought the risk was too high for the reward and folded.

little did i know those 2700 chips would make my remaining stack worthless as i could not stop replaying the hand in my head and shortly after made a few mistakes and busted far from the bubble

Looking back now if i had it to play over i would have raised 300 pre flop and called the all in if it still happened post flop because anybody calling a decent raise with x8 will only be able to last so long then the only hands i had to worry abought were 88 and QQ

lol even looking at it again in preview i cant say 100% i wouldnt fold again lol this hand is going to haunt me

what do you guys think? my apologies if i have made any errors first hand i have submitted


4 replies
Bubalus
Joined: 02.08.2008
PokerStrategist

Hi!

IMO, you should have re-raised before the flop more(300 would have been appropriate as you suggested) , because otherwise you get called by too many players and your big pair gets very vulnerable. With KK and other big pairs and AK you want to get as much value as possible, so always raise. Especially on the loose table it is profitable to raise, because they tend to call you with any cards they like and you get paid off.

It is possible, but very unlikely that the villain had 88 or QQ. He might had had hands like AQ, KQ,K8, Q8+, J8, 8xs or any other trash. With that flop and so many players I would have also folded.


_Anonymous_ Topic starter
_Anonymous_

Thanks for the input glad to hear im also not the only one who would fold and
I have definatley made a consious effort to make sure i bet my big pairs for value now


I'm raising 300 minimum preflop.

Postflop I'm calling. He has already made two stupid bets this hand, which is enough evidence imo to label him a stupid player. Most likely you're up against KQ, QJ type hands. You're overpair certainly beats alot of his hands, because even a bad player probably isn't raising his 8x hands.

So you're behind A8, QQ, AA (88 too unlikely for consideration), and ahead of QJ, KQ, AQ, JJ, TT, 99, making this a call for me.


Preflop making it 150 is not a good idea at all. You have to protect your hand, even if it is as strong as KK. Around 300 would be my choice.
As played I call the flop. They can still have the Q or any kind of hand on this limit.


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