10 PLO R&C - BB defend against 50BB UTG open

I'm not a PLO expert, but after the check on the turn you get a nice change to try to bluff the river I think.
It's the only way to win the hand, but if you think villain can't fold top pair or something like that giving up isn't to bad I think.

Cheers,
SDK1987

This is a mandatory 3bet preflop. This is a very premium hand, broadway-pair perfectly connected and double-suited.

And otf at 100b we usually cbet full pot and shove it in on the turn, when effective stack is less, that is even better.
Check-calling and check-folding are both not consideration worthy options. You often find the best move by eliminating actions in the context of a strategy that are not desirable, always take ranges and SPR´s into account.

I'm no expert but on dry A-high flops aren't you supposed to use smaller sizing, around 40%. Also aren't you supposed to use even smaller sizing against short stacks?
At plo10 you likely aren't facing a decent short stack, so I think 3betting is better, but depends on opponent.
As for the river, I would give up. You have a very bad bluffing hand. You would be just hoping that he does not have two pairs (which would call).

Originally posted by BunBun00
I'm no expert but on dry A-high flops aren't you supposed to use smaller sizing, around 40%. Also aren't you supposed to use even smaller sizing against short stacks?
At plo10 you likely aren't facing a decent short stack, so I think 3betting is better, but depends on opponent.
As for the river, I would give up. You have a very bad bluffing hand. You would be just hoping that he does not have two pairs (which would call).

Yes you are right, our strategy in 3bp oop is mixing pot with 50% cbet. But with the particular hand I prefer betting pot because my general approach is, cbet half-pot with hands that have poor blocker or sidevalue and full pot the better blockers and semi-bluffs that have draws or stuff going on. The reason for this is, our disposable bluffs with poor equity and playability become cheaper and those with more backup generate a bigger leverage for more implied FE ott. This hand belongs to the second category because of its 8-card inside wrap and the 2 bdfd´s performing well against villains value-hands. As we are the 3-bettor preflop, our range has a strong range advantage on the dry A-high flop (our opponent should have 4-bet most of his :Ax::Ax: whereas we can represent them easily), this means we are not afraid to get bluff-raised aggressively. Agaist a more marginal shove like :Ax:-toppair type of hand we´ll have more than 30% equity so we can stack-off against loose aggressive opponents.

After getting called, besides hitting our straight outs we can also push with slightly more than the required 33% range equity (more than pot odds at spr1 here with 100bb or less) at any ♥ and ♠ turn card (together 24 cards, that´s half of the deck) using additional FE. Furthermore if we get called by a lucky out of line hit, we´re not drawing dead (if villain is solid he should not have too many sets and 2pairs otf but if he is bad he´ll have those occasionally). This way we maintain an aggressive pot-pot allin strategy that balances our value-range (:Ax::Ax:, :Ax::Kx: and :Kx::Kx: ) very well.

Basically for intermediate players like me too that have no perfect 3bp strategy oop when in doubt betting pot in general is better oop with the SPR being low (on unpaired textures). We do not want to play perceived hundreds of streets oop with relatively big money in the pot. We can merge up our range a little more and go with the FE rather constructing more difficult small-sized check-call, check-raise and check-fold ranges over multiple streets.

I would imagine this is more exploitative than gto. I don't have a solver but if I would guess, the output would something like: 95% small bet, 5% big bet. 5% big bet frequency is negligible , I just simplify to 100% small bet. But there are merits to both sizes.

I were very surprised on solver line SBvsEP 100bb 3bet pot on flop:

We just pot range basically. Even AA with sd is 50/50 with half/full pot. We have huge advantage on sets (48% vs 7%) but I dont really understand why that would turn cbet approach to potting mainly. I mean I could understand if SPR was lot deeper and we wanted to leverage stack with set advantage but obviously with 100bb deep we can do that with small bet as well.

Wow, I didn't expect that either. Is it possible to check for 100bb vs 50bb?, probably doesn't differ that much.

Yeah its fine 3bet pre but as played its kind of interesting river spot. We as BB have lot easier time to show up with straights. This hand is kind of bad though as we would want villain to have our hand or hand with broadway straight component, e.g. AQT9. But at same time we have close to bottom of range hand and we probably dont want to turn Ax into bluff. Some KQTx with bdfd we could also call vs half pot cbet so those are perhaps reasonable as well to bluff. Though I would think AK and KK would often continue betting turn so K blocker is not necessarily that valuable. We shouldnt really have hands that have low cards that wont have good showdown value, e.g. A643.

So my point is this spot is hard to be overbluffed and perhaps we can even use hand like ours to bluff. But I will check what type of stuff solver would use as bluff.

WIth 50bb:

WIth 200bb trainer seems to only have 3/4 sizing:

Well bluffing part for river is kind of hard to check as trainer doesnt have this kind of flop that has turn sims. Had AK9r and AK5ss but they are quite bit different. Anyway on this one QJTx without A or K are bluffing quite a bit. Not necessarily with QQJT exactly but still:

Now that I think this spot after session I suppose it must be about that whatever we use half pot or pot EP just cannot continue that much wider as SB has so much more sets. So by potting SB goes for max value versus that tight range that can continue. Like even KK is folding in EP shoes 37% of time versus pot bet. But yeah I think in real life we can often get action from lot of stuff that should just snap fold to half pot bet. So perhaps not logic that is best in real life?

Originally posted by ghaleon
Now that I think this spot after session I suppose it must be about that whatever we use half pot or pot EP just cannot continue that much wider as SB has so much more sets. So by potting SB goes for max value versus that tight range that can continue. Like even KK is folding in EP shoes 37% of time versus pot bet. But yeah I think in real life we can often get action from lot of stuff that should just snap fold to half pot bet. So perhaps not logic that is best in real life?

By betting smaller like half-pot you usually do it to increase your betting frequency. Since we are already cbetting 100% it probably does not make a lot of sense to deviate in that direction even when villain is overfolding massively.

QJJTds is a call 50bb deep. Also 50bb deep half a pot cbet on that board is just standard (according to Vision, low stakes rake).

For hero flop call is quite standard, and turn check is quite standard. After the turn check back I wouldn't expect much FE for river bluff. In my eyes, well played.