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PLO50 KQ99sss go for turn raise?

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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

So I didnt have much reads on villain postflop wise. But seemed like usual passive recreational in preflop from small sample. SB was playing almost every hand and being sticky postflop.

Flop check is probably bit better than cbet.

On turn I think its fine to just call as we have quite bad set. We do block QQ but also AQ which we want villain to have. If we do face 3bet it would be likely fold as we are also quite deep so passive BB can definitely have bit more AA as well.

River went for half pot value versus snap check.

Game #1970233327: Table €50 PL - 0.25/0.50 - Pot Limit Omaha - 22:28:57 2023/10/21
Seated players
Seat 1: all-is-light (€40.86)
Seat 2: BobbitNL (€0) (sitting out)
Seat 3: trixies (€100.17)
Seat 4: Korira (€106.13)
Seat 5: McL90 (€50.94)
Seat 6: Faya17 (€82.94)
Blinds and button
Korira has the button
McL90 posts small blind €0.25
Faya17 posts big blind €0.50
Hole cards
Dealt to Korira K♥:Q♥:9♥:9♣:
Preflop
all-is-light folds
trixies folds
Korira raises €1.75 to €1.75
McL90 calls €1.50
Faya17 calls €1.25
Flop A♥:Q♦:2♣: (5.25€)
McL90 checks
Faya17 checks
Korira checks
Turn 9♠: (5.25€)
McL90 checks
Faya17 bets €3.93
Korira calls €3.93
McL90 folds
River 8♠: (13.1€)
Faya17 checks
Korira bets €6.55


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regie
Joined: 06.03.2008

I think almost any Axx board is a cbet in position . Most of the time they fold. When You have it, it is easier to go for stack. Its better to have something on A high board, because You block , and it is the Q this time.


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

both opponents are call happy and recreationals. No 3bet lowers the chance to see AA, and you block QQ. I would raise turn 100% of times as sticky players call with any Ax 2pairs, straight draws or even worse.


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Originally posted by regie
I think almost any Axx board is a cbet in position . Most of the time they fold. When You have it, it is easier to go for stack. Its better to have something on A high board, because You block , and it is the Q this time.

This is though spot where we as BU have very wide open raise range. Gto wise flop looks like this in HU pot versus BB:

So like top pair is for sure hand I tend to cbet somewhat too often compared to above data. But fair amount of Ax top pairs are kind of hands that dont necessarily benefit from tightening opponent range.There is aspect of equity denial but its sort of easy to over value that. Of course tighter the open raising range more we can just cbet flop. So EP or MP can go closer to range betting.

But yeah my turn call was too tight. Versus known aggro type who is capable of big river bluffs I dont mind just call because my hand actually play quite crappy on straightening rivers.


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regie
Joined: 06.03.2008

That was information. Now I like check with 2. Pair


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regie
Joined: 06.03.2008

I dont agree with air. My strategy not cbet air, but give up. Maybe air + bd fd cbet 2 steets. Can You put it in solver with air and backdoor flush Draw pls!?

Now i see , I missread air.

Not cbeting weak Axxx on flop is my strategy.

Back in the days I see a strategy from Jeans , Finland high Stakes player, betting almost any A high flop. It does not work anymore. I like the solver strategy .


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

I wouldn't say it doesn't work anymore. Solver chooses the optimal play versus perfect opponent. In reality the opponent is never perfect, and at small stakes very far from it. The further we deviate from optimal opponents, the more we go back to old school poker. Then it's all about opponent's folding range. If he folds enough, we should definitely bet our whole air. And I am very sure that versus recreationals who never float or bluff on the flop, we get over 42% fold equity. Or if we bet half a pot, we need even less.

The better our opponents are, the more balanced we should be. Cos if we are not, they can adjust and start to exploit us. But if opponent is not capable to exploit us if we bet 100% of air and we have enough FE, of course we should do it.

Solver is one base point for our default strategy. But it's also good to remember that in reality it's never the best EV line in any given situation. In other words, solver decision is never the optimal decision in real life. The key is to understand when we need balance (and turn our eyes towards solver output) and being balanced just hurts us. That's why I wouldn't say that cbetting Axx boards wouldn't work. As in many situation betting 100% of our air works wonderfully.


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

It is noteworthy that category air in that strength bucket image is only 1.5% of our range. So in this AQ2r flop it doesnt include any gs or pair (either board or pocket) so I wouldnt focus much on that. If we think of hand like 9876 it is quite hopeless hand on flop and also pushes opponent range more into stuff that connect somehow on flop. Also it doesnt mean we are giving up on pot with flop check which is good to remember. Our air can still bluff later especially if we also have some other stuff in check range.

I did check air bucket closer and it actually doesnt include bdfd combos either which explains almost pure check even more. BDFD stuff are inside draws:

So those are betting quite a bit. Again we talk of hands that do not have any straight draw on flop.

Anyway check line is interesting because we also get more information if villain checks turn again. I think one of very profitable spots are ones where we end up checking to river and go for river stab with air. Because lets say we use half pot. We only need 33% of fe. On other side villain is supposed to continue 67% as minimum defence frequency but I would say we often gain even more than 50% of time pot down. Because when villain checks three times their range is usually very capped. Also it lacks x-r range mostly so we can often get away value betting thinner and bluffing more. Plus that capped range might be overfolding. Even in solver land IP player bets very often with total air.


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regie
Joined: 06.03.2008

Not betting total air without backdoor straight Draw and flush Draw is the best play to balance week Axxx hand that can call a River Bet or when checked to us balance the nothing. I believe without Anything we need to give up 10% of the time . Showdown without nothing looks like we are not bluff happy. Its easier to make them fold sometimes the better hand i believe


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regie
Joined: 06.03.2008

I dont know the strategy SB and BB in the party. Probably week Axxx is a check flop and turn Bet checked to us. On a straight Heavy board is a turn check with 2 pair and bluff catch River. One Axxx pair is a Bet small and check river in position. No reason for over agression with made hand, nice showdown velue . Solid postflop play sometimes pays off


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