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PLO50 K976ds in 3bp oop

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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010

Villain (45/20/8) over a very big sample is a loose-aggressive regular that is capable of big bluffs and aggressive moves. His cbet and foldings stats are solid considering his more loose tendencies pre but he is capable of shutting down and play more selectively against other regulars postflop. His main weakness is to stacks-off too loose in some situations and overdoing it when facing weakness in form of a check like multi-barrels but in general his bluffs are hard to identify. His fold-frequencies in position are too low in reraised pots and I would say he is somewhat too attached sometimes to the pot when it gets bigger.

iPoker - €0.50 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

CO: €129.51 (259 bb)
BTN: €39.77 (79.5 bb)
Hero (SB): €121.36 (242.7 bb)
BB: €16.91 (33.8 bb)
UTG: €58.23 (116.5 bb)
MP: €110.58 (221.2 bb)

Hero posts SB €0.25, BB posts €0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.75) Hero has 7♣: 6♠: 9♣: K♠:
fold, MP raises to €1.75, fold, BTN calls €1.75, Hero raises to €7.50, fold, MP calls €5.75, fold

Flop: (€17.25, 2 players) 4♣: 5♣: 3♠:
Hero checks, MP checks

Together with the flushdraw I´d like to check-raise against a 30% stab ip but villain checks back.

Turn: (€17.25, 2 players) 4♥:
Hero bets €8.62, MP calls €8.62

This is weird, play half pot and pot here but I still have difficulties sometimes with sizings in these spots. I thought I try to get some value/protection as I don´t like checking.

River: (€34.49, 2 players) 9♦:
Hero bets €34.49, MP raises to €94.46, Hero ?

Villain has me covered with 70€ with my remaining 140bb effective stack. Really hard decision, he reps the fullhouse which is still in his range. I am blocking his top-range with the 9♣: but also block the clubs and with the low SPR this would be such a weird move from him but considering our history he made such moves but less often without that leverage, but he knows I am capable of folding getting well priced odds. Idk what I should think about this.


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

I don't like the 3bet deep oop with that hand for 3way pot (BTN should never fold).

Why pot river? I think as played I would check-call, to give him an opportunity to bluff missed draws. You shouldn't have many boats in your range so theorywise he can raise quite a lot of hands there.

But when you pot, you try to get value from trips? Imo his range is heavily weighted to weaker hands that he might bluff if given a spot to do. Check-call.


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

Checked from Solver, 100bb deep that is mixed 50/50 with fold and 3bet. 200bb deep it's just a fold.

At 100bb, it shows that the EV of 3bet is very close to 0 as the strategy is mixed 50/50. I am sure that if we remove FE, it would become a pure fold even 100bb deep.


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Yeah deep stacked oop we should be quite tight in 3betting. A976ds would likely be fine still.

I don't necessarily mind bet turn, bet river line but we should use small sizings. So I would use 1/3 pot. Aim would be to get calls from some overpairs, trips and A2.

With pot river we can get call from A2 but not so sure about much else. Even A2 should not be happy of facing pot bet. Maybe trips but if villain is tricky kind he might also turn that to bluff.

As played river is interesting. Would villain raise all boats or just 55+? Would he check flop with sets? Depending of answers to those he might mainly rep 99 and we block that. But yeah this hand gets pretty weird with our river pot.


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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010

200bb deep it's just a fold.

Yea the 3bet is a little loose indeed, but Villain raise-calls too much pre so I thought I might still have value. I did not really took the deep stack into account for my pre hand selection but I think it is not that bad if we look at the type of hands Solver would expande his ranges towards against a more loose opening.

I don't necessarily mind bet turn, bet river line but we should use small sizings. So I would use 1/3 po

I don´t have a 1/3 pot sizing ott here as a default so I used 1/2 pot but I agree that 1/3pot would have been a good idea aswell. But I don´t think it is a very big difference in terms of EV or playability?

But when you pot, you try to get value from trips?

With pot river we can get call from A2 but not so sure about much else.

Trips, straights and eventually overpairs. I have a sample of over 7k hands and he is capable of calling those handstrengths pretty sure. He surely would not fold any trips against 2 barrels in a 3bp. I have also been kinda afraid getting bluff-raised out of the pot since villain might consider my little sizing as weakness but not sure about that. He is switching gears with bluff-raises not overdoing it but occasionally also when he senses weakness which is pretty hard to encounter on later streets. We previously had a dynamic evolved, where I bet the river small or checked to induce with some very strong hands but it did not work out anymore as he adapted slowly to it by bet-calling less and finally checking behind more often.

Results:

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River: (€34.49, 2 players) 9♦:
Hero bets €34.49, MP raises to €94.46, Hero folds

Results: €103.47 pot (€1.50 rake)
Final Board: 4♣: 5♣: 3♠: 4♥: 9♦:

MP wins €101.97

MP shows J♣: T♥: 8♣: 5♦:: (Two Pair, Fives and Fours)
(Pre 47%, Flop 35%, Turn 17%)

Sick bluff. Problem is, I knew he was capable doing that and felt quite bad as I might be unbalanced with the pot-sizing indeed and the odds were good, against the vast majority of players, they start to play very straightforward against pot-sized bets but he clearly falls out of line. After all I still do not like his overall line, I find this bluff very expensive risking so much (calling turn with air) to win a relatively small pot from the turn but the question is if I am responding in a sound way against this bullshit folding my straight in 3bp (Solver probably would not either? Idk.).


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

One point in small sizing is that it's more likely indeed to induce bluff raises and we would then go for that call more happily (and for cheaper price). Compared to pot and facing raise.

In general when we lack nuts in our range we prefer using smaller sizings. Though again this spot does come down to also what villain is doing with sets on flop. If his range has very few boats as well then nut straight become nutty as well. But this is spot where I could try to value bet A2 or even AA fair amount of time which also prefer small sizing. That combined with how rare boats are in our range I would stick to single sizing.


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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010

Yes I like the idea of betting the river small too. I mean I usually have boats myself mixed into but if you see nutstraight has enough value on paired boards (against him it surely does) I should bet small more often. But we still have a potting range (bluffs, weaker straights, trips and a few boats?)

If I know I´d 1/3pot block-bet river more often, I probably should size it up a little ott to 1/2 or 3/4 pot no?


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Well flop is still straight heavy. Villain can definitely have A2 in check back range if he is decent postflop. So for that reason I would prefer to use bit smaller sizing. Also this board on turn is kind of dry in a way that straight draws are somewhat less likely. So as I want to bet some overpairs I would lean toward small sizing. Not sure if 1/3 or half is necessarily better.

We can have two different sizings for river but when most of villain range is weak I kind of don't mind to go for just small sizing. We can bluff with that as well. Thing with block bets is that theory wise we should of course be value betting most of time as we give good price. But even taking that into account lot of people underbluff with small sizings from my experience.

So in this river spot we can get imo huge amount of less than trips hands to fold versus average opponent with 1/3 pot bet.


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