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PLO50 JJT7ss call or raise flop?

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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Villain is laggy type recreational.

I was wondering if this combo prefers call or raise on flop? Usually I just call dry top two here but I think JJ is kind of interesting component as there is fair chance it removes outs from villain combo draws.

As played I think turn and river are kind of mandatory calls versus laggy opponent.

Game #2008660212: Table €50 PL - 0.25/0.50 - Pot Limit Omaha - 23:01:18 2023/12/23
Seated players
Seat 1: dikard6 (€53.44)
Seat 2: FlushyFish (€47.81)
Seat 3: Boroti (€97.50)
Seat 4: k_haukka (€72.65)
Seat 5: LocalRabbit (€50)
Blinds and button
dikard6 has the button
FlushyFish posts small blind €0.25
Boroti posts big blind €0.50
Hole cards
Dealt to Boroti J♥:T♣:7♠:J♠:
Preflop
k_haukka folds
LocalRabbit folds
dikard6 folds
FlushyFish raises €1.25 to €1.50
Boroti calls €1
Flop T♦:7♣:2♣: (3€)
FlushyFish bets €3
Boroti calls €3
Turn 8♦: (9€)
FlushyFish bets €9
Boroti calls €9
River K♠: (27€)
FlushyFish bets €20.25
Boroti calls €20.25


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blinderGeiger
Joined: 07.05.2023

I can see solver raising the flop here sometimes. Against a GTO-range this might be fine (we are blocking heavily the continuing-range, but doesnt have great turns or rivers). But against the potting-range from a recreational I would do it.

If you raise flop, whats your play against a jam?


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Would probably have to fold to 3bet.


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blinderGeiger
Joined: 07.05.2023

Originally posted by blinderGeiger
I can see solver raising the flop here sometimes. Against a GTO-range this might be fine (we are blocking heavily the continuing-range, but doesnt have great turns or rivers). But against the potting-range from a recreational I would do it.

Small typo there, I wouldnt raise against the potting range.


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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010

I´d prefer calling. Draw blocker are more significant in aggressive lines if we are the one taking the lead. The J♠:J♥: also work as future blocker that´d allow us to bluff on straight runouts, we´d rather have a made-hand blocker when bluffing.

The turn is just the spot I referred. Here we could have float bet against a check repping the straight with leverage to another river bet. Without 2pair a shove over the top representing the nutstraight also blocking villains sets with one pair (calling range) is a nice move imo. We deny hard against semi-bluffing draws and have a credible story together with FE. But together with the decent SDV calling is fine as we need some suitable bluffcatchers on blanky runouts.

Thereotically we can still bluff-shove otr but we´ll have way less FE here. So together with the SDV I think again the river-call is fine.


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ZakYoun270
Joined: 10.12.2015

I'm usually folding turn or river.


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

My hand is one of best ones as bluff catcher. 99 would be better than JJ but its still very relevant blocker as nut straight is most likely value combo to pot turn and bet big on river.

This was actually quite funky hand as villain had AJJ6 with three clubs. So its bad to have so many clubs but he does also have three straight blocker. So I think its still ok bluff as I think those straight blockers outweighs clubs. But yeah basically same blockers made villain to bluff and me to call :)


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