Triple barrel a missed turned flush?

BB is supposed to defend on wide side and that range has fair amount of stuff that completely whips this flop. So it's not that rare we end up winning in check down scenario. After we get called though that SDV goes to almost zero. There is some 89xx that might call but that's pretty much it.

Main benefit of cbetting is to increase value of our bdfd combos a little bit as we do get some better bdfd combos to fold on flop. There are also some better hands we can get to fold but those are not that numerous.

This hand really lacks components to barrel off though so it would be clear flop check. We don't block straight and we lack nuttiness down the road as our gs value is also very limited. E.g. let's say river was 2♠: what is our plan facing check or lead?

Above scenario would be fine if our hand had that solid straight blocker component. So e.g. J998 or more nuttiness like AJ95 with nbdfd.

As played villain can easily have Q9 or two pair/set with Q. Those combos will often get sticky and call at least twice. On river I would advice to give up and recognise we ended up in spot where our hand really shouldn't be in. If we had that 99, QQ or A9 component it would become good river pot scenario as we should also pot most of our Q9.

Originally posted by ghaleon

This hand really lacks components to barrel off though so it would be clear flop check. We don't block straight and we lack nuttiness down the road as our gs value is also very limited. E.g. let's say river was 2♠: what is our plan facing check or lead?

Facing a check I'm value betting (triple barreling). Facing a lead is more complex, depends on size on the lead.

Originally posted by ghaleon

Above scenario would be fine if our hand had that solid straight blocker component. So e.g. J998 or more nuttiness like AJ95 with nbdfd.

Would a single suffice to pot the river. E.g if the hands was J♠:9♠:8♣:5♣: instead, is the single 9 enough to triple barrel the river?

Originally posted by ghaleon

If we had that 99, QQ or A9 component it would become good river pot scenario as we should also pot most of our Q9.

Yeah, but I don't think Q9 triple barrels, I think it prefers to go for delayed c-bet then pot river.

Flop cbet should be fine, with that locked down heavy texture we should have way more than enough FE.

I think ott we are also fine to check it back because realizing some equity by hitting the bd-flush. Villains range should be very defined here already, nn-straight, set, 2pair, some top-pairs and combos of those mixed with bdfd´s and gs´s and also nutstraights. But betting is no mistake, pair+fd do it around half of the time according to solver.

Otr we have to be more careful. We are betting pot only since our repped range is so polarized and value-range is pretty much restricted to straights, that means we cannot bluff a ton either. So we triple-barrel usually only with the best blockers like :Qx:-combos. If we bet any hand that has poor/no SDV we´d be overbluffing a ton, if we have the information of overfolding we can start adding single- :Qx:-blockers. The despite blocking the nutstraight aswell has barely any blocker-value basically.

Yeah single 9 is way too wide. But QQ, 99 and potentially some A9 (rare) I would not mind to blast off. In practise it's more important to block Q9 than nuts as people rarely go for triple check line with nuts. 99 value can also increase in a way compared to QQ. Reasoning being when villain has hand like two pair or set with single Q he has more chance to improve on turn but is not necessarily calling third barrel anymore.

River value bet with 4th nuts (in 2♠: scenario) can actually be thin. Because when you think of villain call range how many weaker flushes are there realistically and how often does weaker than flush call? Nut straight very often raises flop or turn. Sets and two pairs almost always fold so that leave Q9. This can also be good reason for that turn check without good straight blockers to keep ranges wider in case we hit flush.

If facing lead we basically hope villain is turning set or two pair into bluff. Not that common either.

PS: Ranges are pretty wide in this spot so Q9 can be fairly aggro. But yeah some of those we want to have in check range and also some AQ for that matter (total overkills). Also versus some passive players I don't mind just bet-folding some Q9 as value of check decrease if villain is unlikely to bluff versus check.