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Main pot, side pot, 350bb pot (Over thinking)

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BunBun00
Joined: 13.09.2023

BU(185bb)
SB(295bb)
BB(177bb)
UTG(155bb)
CO(31bb)

UTG Opens 3.5
CO calls & BU call
SB 3bet 18.5 K♥:9♥:7♣:5♣:
BB folds
UTG & CO call, BU folds
Flop 3♣:6♥:7♠: (SPR 2.28) Checks through
Turn 4♥: SB checks, UTG bets 30bb, CO calls (all in), SB calls
RIver K♠:, SB checks, UTG Shoves 106 (all in)
SB?
Preflop, my thoughts are vs a single open and if nobody calls, I fold, at 150bb deep eff, calling with is hand from SB is not ideal. But with 3 callers I can 3bet put a lot of pressure on UTG and pick up dead money. Vs a 4bet I have an easy call. Flop it's complex, SPR of 2.28, and CO is basically all in (13bb stack), if this was HU I think I just GII on flop/turn. UTG is not going to connect a lot with this dry flop. UTG is TAG, very capable of bluffing. I went with the safe check, to check-call. Turn I check, main thought is to induce a bluff. OTR, I check, I block top two, I'm not getting value from anything. UTG shoves. At this point with dead point in pot (I think that's what it is called when a player is all in) why the hell would he shoves anything but the nuts/2nd nuts when the side pot is 36bb compared to 97bb main pot. If he shoves only nuts/2nd nuts I have a very close fold equity wise. What would you do?

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I call, he had A♠:Q♠:9♠:8♦:, CO had :A♥:Q♥:J♥:9♣:, makes no sense lol.


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Its very spewy play to squeeze here. Personally just folding always. Issue is that on average people way underfold to 3bets. So here UTG is supposed to fold like maybe 60% of time but in reality its usually at best half of that. CO short stack is often not there to fold either and postflop fe versus him is very low. So we end up bloating pot with crappy hand (it might look good but its not really) and lot of time be in multiway pot in worst possible position. In practise I would stick to premium ds rundowns for squeezing these type of hands.

Flop we have kind of strong holding for this SPR so I would not mind to just bet and get overpairs and lot of equity to fold from UTG range. Its not really strong enough hand to induce bets from UTG and too strong to be x-fold.

As played river shove should be very value heavy but at same time he might think you dont have nuts with your line either. So could be sort of thin value with 2nd nuts.


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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010

Originally posted by ghaleon
Its very spewy play to squeeze here. Personally just folding always. Issue is that on average people way underfold to 3bets. So here UTG is supposed to fold like maybe 60% of time but in reality its usually at best half of that. CO short stack is often not there to fold either and postflop fe versus him is very low. So we end up bloating pot with crappy hand (it might look good but its not really) and lot of time be in multiway pot in worst possible position. In practise I would stick to premium ds rundowns for squeezing these type of hands.

Flop we have kind of strong holding for this SPR so I would not mind to just bet and get overpairs and lot of equity to fold from UTG range. Its not really strong enough hand to induce bets from UTG and too strong to be x-fold.

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On the turn I think our hand lacks visibility to check-call, or worse to overcall. But it fits perfectly as a lead bet, this is also true for the flop. Betting is usually always the more straightforward play in PLO if we don´t have to fear about becoming exploited. You said you want to induce a bluff ... you don´t even beat a bluff in terms of SDV. :coolface: Inducing, trap checking etc. I would only recommend that if he have some information about villain. And this gets furtermore complicated when 3way cause we´d need to know their both tendencies. We would need to know that in tendency the bet is weak, the call is weak and that both fold a sufficient portion of their range, in this instance a check-shove would be an option with the gutshot but it´d be pretty wild vs unknown. Check-calling is more the route we take against passive guys that shutdown their aggression in such a scenario or weak behaviour like paying off mediocre stuff against a donk-shove.

River is tricky, Flushdraw blocker and straightblocker kinda counterfeit each other. I think folding is definitely an option in many situations but stacking off is probably more sound from a theoretical perspective. You should not start making big laydowns on half way to showdown habitually at that SPR, you won´t have the straight often enough and the optimum strategy/balancing as played is incredibly difficult to figure out, squeezed pots are pretty niche so we all don´t have studied those off tables I assume. Overall spoken if you don´t know if your hand is good enough on the turn it´s an indicator that you have misplayed it preflop, if you called solely to odds, you have to stick to your plan and fold the river.


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