[Closed] Confused of how to play JJ OOP at FR vs Unknowns

3bet pf. JJ is too strong just to call because if a Q/K/A hits the flop what u gonna do?
as played c/r is good as u will represent strong hand and make him fold.

"basically call and go broke on safe flop where he could be going broke with wider range"

TAG to do this? what is the range u are giving him that u can beat with JJ on such board? a solid TAG wont go broke with TT so dont try such plays.

Originally posted by silent21
3bet pf. JJ is too strong just to call because if a Q/K/A hits the flop what u gonna do?
as played c/r is good as u will represent strong hand and make him fold.

"basically call and go broke on safe flop where he could be going broke with wider range"

TAG to do this? what is the range u are giving him that u can beat with JJ on such board? a solid TAG wont go broke with TT so dont try such plays.

At shorthanded games i would, but at FR players tend to be more nitty so basically i'f id 3bet him i think his calling range would be smth like TT+ and AK maybe we can even rule out TT, AA probably would 4bet and K would 4bet like 75% of the time and call the rest. So i really wouldn't like to isolate against such range OOP. Would he go broke with TT? Since i'm unknown to him, maybe, but probably not on this flop, smth like 223 more likely.
If Q/K/A hits flop i c/c and reev turn.

as played c/r is good as u will represent strong hand and make him fold.

well, you see that's whole problem if i represent stronger hand than i have i basically bluff, so i could do this with ATC instead of JJ and it would even be a better play.

Hello,

Preflop: Still 3betting preflop, missing value against this unknown opponent.

As played
Flop: I don't mind Check/Raise, by donking out yourself he likely is just folding and you lose some value, otherwise by Check/Raise you get at least some money from him because he is very often going to CBet on such board.

Best regards,
Rensu

We fold if he 4bets right? If answer is no, why not?

I usually fold JJ a to 4bet in FR (against unknown) unless I have a read on the villain.

Originally posted by TheBrood
We fold if he 4bets right? If answer is no, why not?

That depends on which range we put him on. I am not saying that we can't fold it here, sure we can, there is no point to continue with our hand when we know his range can be only QQ+ here. But if we put him on wider range then our pushes can be profitable in long run but against a tigher range we can't play such hande profitable, everything is stuck in math. Depends on our equity and stuff. I am sure that those sentences didn't make you clear all those things but you will start understanding it with some time and experience. For example you could read this article: http://www.pokerstrategy.com/strategy/fixed-limit/1219/ . This helps a lot to understand how the EV is calculated and try to make some calculations and you will get the idea when it's profitable to move your stack all-in and when it ain't.

Brood, In addition I suggest you download PS' Equilator software found in:
http://www.pokerstrategy.com/software/6/
It's a powerful tool which even can be used in a live session.

Generally speaking we can't get a good estimation on an unknown villain's 4bet range. A standard 4bet range in FR micro-stakes poker (NL2-NL25 ,where ABC poker rules... ) from a thinking player is around AK/QQ+.

The equity of JJ against this range is 36% which make it a bit more clear why folding JJ to a 4bet is not a bad move.