[Closed] Interessting hand.

oke, a rock raises a first in from early position. warning bell !
AA or KK could be the only cards he would raise with. with AK he would not raise because it is not a made hand.

lets asume he has KK, after the A Q flop he will make a bet to see where he is at to find out if hero has the AA, AK or QQ. if he gets called or raised he will try to play it cheap to the showdown or fold to a bet.

if rocky has AA he made an suberb play, checking the flop to show weakness or to lure a bet wich he would call.
betting only 250 the turn is again a trap. bet small in the hope he gets raised.
riverbet allin is then the right play, he has got the nuts.

while writing this , i found another scenario. stupid of me that i didnt think about it right away, i play it sometimes myself. he plays small pocket pairs.
preflop a raise of only 1,5 bet, not to expensive but, as i have written, a raise from a rock makes warning bells go of.

maybe he played 66.
he hits his set on the flop and looks for a way to get as much out of it as possible, checking the flop expecting a conti bet.
after the turn he can not slowplay anymore and makes a small bet in the hope to get called or raised. he only gets called so he thinks he has the best hand.
after the river an easy push

lets say he got deuces
after the flop he misses so he will check. suprisingly hero also checks. would hero have missed?
turn gives him his 2. a small weak bet in the hope hero will bluff raise or raises AQ AK KQ.
turn 5 is a blank for both, rocky will play his set and goes allin.

rocky has 55
flop comments are the same.
turn 2 looks like a blank. sneaky rocky is thinking (and cheaply betting to find out) that his 55 is the best hand.
river gives him his set. omg and a push.

with any other pocket pair he would never gone allin, not even with KK. it is still early in the tournement.

how i would have played this hand?
preflop i could have reraised the minraise to find out. i also could have called. i think i would have called.
since i sellsom slowplay my sets and because i lost the initiative, a bet of 450 is a nice play on the flop. when getting called or raised by rocky, then i will putt him on AA and fold to a bet on the turn or river.

Lets say he will raise AK too because itsd the strongest non paired hand.

I will reply to you with more details when I'm sober off again (is that the right useage of this word? ^^)

AK? lol hope they are at least suited. duh top player...

hero bets utg, what is his range? 6 / 8 %?
hero can bet with AA 'till 10 10, AK , AQs.

rocky balboa raises with AKs to 350, still a small raise but alas
flop comes A Q 6 and he checks because he wants to know the strenght of hero's hand but hero checks too. hmmm does hero has KK and wants to see it cheap to the end or is he slowplaying?
turn gives a blank, nothing dangerous, betting a small amount , again to probe, and hero just calls. with AA and AQ hero would have raised to get some value out of the hand. with KK the call is allready a crying call.
river gives another blank, no str8 out there and rocky pushes. why? because he thinks hero has AK and is overbetting the pot in the hope hero folds, otherwise it would be a split.

i have problems with the way both players played there hands.
hero slowplayed the hand far to long and made it to hard on himself. he was preflop first agressor and should have bet the flop or raised the turn. he hasnt got a clue where he is. he has a monster hand but is still walking in the dark.

rocky made his preflop raise to small. but i have to say, it got hero scared and that was a good thing.
i dont know about the postflop check. it is both good and bad. it is good because he wants to now where he is at but bad because of what happend, that is, hero checks too.
after the turn a bet of 250 is again very small. a bigger bet would force hero to make a decision, fold or raise.
and the allin bet is so daft. he is risking the whole tournament on a tptk.
there is a good possibility that hero has AQ (not to mention QQQ).

u can also say that rocky did well. raising preflop, letting hero dangling in the dark and showing some trickyness. all his moves looked like traps. checking postflop and betting small on the turn can be a trap to encourage hero to make a bet or raise wich he could reraise with a bigger hand.
the allin on the river is then the normall play.

btw sober off again? u now are now farting and having a hangover at the same time.

edit: and dot tell me it was daniel or sammy who tried to make a play with 43s and got lucky lucky

imho hero totaly missplayed the hand. And if he has AA i am going broke here, because i think you too often miss value with your 2 best set

So here are the thoughts of the player and with his reads this hand makes sense Tigga But I would never play it this way.... neither should anyone else do it without being one of the best players in the world with great experience. (and he is able to put all his chips in this hand under other circumstances so he isn't weak or something )
Please notice also that this is neither an online tournament nor a little SnG....

Btw if the preflop aggressor check they often have really great hands. At least I see this very often.

Its a 2,000$ WSOP buyin in the first blind level... even if he lays this hand down he does have a chance to win it

His read on this player: Conservative player. Hasn't raised a hand yet. His thought were to call the 350 raise, get his money in with overcards and fold it if an Ace or King appears (many ps.de coaches play like this way with JJ and TT even with AK they often only call and wait for the flop)

Flop: If the guy has AK he would make a decent bet on the flop and checks with TT and JJ (two overacrds) Even with a pair of KK he would probaply check because he really fears the Ace. (and if he has a set ^^)
If SB would have made a normal bet he would have called it and went allin on the turn.
If he has KK he would maybe call our bet on the flop. (or fold so with the check we induce a bluff)

Turn: Nothing changed.. if he has Kings he would fold to our raise anyway so why getting him out with max 2 outs?

River: "Now SB lunges forward as he pushes his remaining 1450 into the pot."
Hero "It's hard to imagine any hand other than pocket ACes would be bet in this fashion. It certainly seems right to fold."

"I studied for two minutes, trying to come up with a reason to call. Finally, logic prevailed, and I threw my hand toward the muck. Nathan(SB), in a nice geesture, flashed his pocket Aces. I grabbed my cards from the edge of the muck and "triumphantly" displayed my pocket Queens, which sent the table into a minor frenzy."

Barry Greenstein World Series of Poker $2,000 Pot-Limt Hold'em. May 10, 2004

I agree with Tigga that without his abilitiy to read and conclude everything like he does this is a very very poor play but the hand as he describes it is just so nice.

I saw Doyle folding an overpair (QQ) on the flop and the other hold AA and even that was impressive... but folding a 2nd set is just... I couldn't do it ever