[Closed] fighting back the blind stealers

By the way the hand is displayed very badly, ill discuss that with our coders. Or did you change anything???

So lets do some mathematics:

Your Play:

You invest 400 chips raising up to 500.
Your opponent raised 300 so he has only 200 to call in an 850 pot.
And most of the time his steel raises wont be with random hands. He is holding Any A or K a lot of connectors or even gap connectors. Broadway cards and stuff like this or at least a small pocket pair.

So i don't see ANY fold equity with your raise here.

Your holding is crap. That means you will always see a flop here. You invest another 300 chips here on the flop as some sort of continuation bet.
Which is in not enough. He will often call here with so many hands he tried to steal with. Of course you say you want to fold. But look you invested 700 chips here and either preflop and postflop you gave your opponents good odds to call.

Your play should be:

With a crap hand like yours and with the analysis that he is trying a steal here you should definetly try to win the pot preflop. Because the next thing that is an argument for a strong raise preflop is that you are out of position.

The position in NL games is sooooo important. This would be a different situation when villain is raising out of the SB where you would be in position postflop.

But you should just simply reraise him 3times his raise. So a raise up to 900 would be fine. You are investing 900 chips here but you will win the hand so often preflop. With your play you are investing 700 chips but you are not creating ANY fold equty neither preflop nor on the flop.

And with a hand like 85 you want a fold!!! ♦

Best regards,
Stefan

On other hand by creating no fold equity he gives impression to have super strong hand

IMO this was a horrible play.
If you put him on a steal, then dont minraise him out of position.
He might call with any 2 cards and you dont want to see a flop at all.

You reraised him so little that you still have no clue if he was on a steal or not AND you are out of position. How are you willing to outplay him?
You are lucky that he isnt playing really well either, cause you made a really small bet on the flop aswell. What would you do if he call this little bet?
The little advantage that you might have is that he put you on a monster with this preflop and flop play.

I think if you are trying to outplay this play that you thought was a steal that you have 2 options:

1) Reraise him more then a minraise preflop, make it around 800-1200, somewhere in between. I also suggest you never minraise

2) Flatcall his raise and donk it all-in on the flop. This might be risky but it has good fold equity

They try to teach you to play tight agressive, but even if you play a loose move like this, still be agressive. Weakness will get punished by good agressive players, and you would have lost 1/4th of your stack.

I hope this made sence and I also hope it was helpfull to you.

Originally posted by sismis
On other hand by creating no fold equity he gives impression to have super strong hand

I don't expect this to be a $215 or $520 SNG so too much thinking for a low limit SNG.

And anyway even if you would make him think that you would have super strong hand sooner or later you would have to make a super strong move, risking a lot of your chips. When he hits the flop he will soooo damn often call this too small bet on the flop.

So really bad play here.

you may think so but ...

first its was low SnG .. and you know how some of em play ...

and I dont think it might have been any difference raising more ...

this was only SHOWING OFF ( showing that I have a strong hand .. doesnt really matter ) and he might have actually hit a good hand on this one so why risk more than needed !?

and as i said a didnt want him to call with his crap ( if im righ) .. but the whole point was ...

after he called my re-raise ... I had to make a good bet too ... ( anything else might have lost the pot completely)

and as I stated it was more risky than stupid ... ( stupid would be raising with such a hand without knowing the risk)

Originally posted by TheBelgarion
you may think so but ...

first its was low SnG .. and you know how some of em play ...

and I dont think it might have been any difference raising more ...

this was only SHOWING OFF ( showing that I have a strong hand .. doesnt really matter ) and he might have actually hit a good hand on this one so why risk more than needed !?

and as i said a didnt want him to call with his crap ( if im righ) .. but the whole point was ...

after he called my re-raise ... I had to make a good bet too ... ( anything else might have lost the pot completely)

and as I stated it was more risky than stupid ... ( stupid would be raising with such a hand without knowing the risk)

"after he called my re-raise ... I had to make a good bet too ..."
It was merely a reraise, let alone a good bet. I dont want to sound offensive here, just trying to help you with explaining why it was so bad.

With such a low bet you are not showing off that you have a strong hand. You are asking to get reraised and lose whatever you put in.
And you are right: he might have hit a good hand .. cause you let him! Thats why you should reraise more preflop.

Point1
With his stack size he will not steal with any2 here. Actually if he is playing perfect he is holding a pair or a strong Ace.

Point2
With only 200 to call in an 850 pot plus very good implied odds. he will call here 90% of the time.

Point3
you are just holding 85o you have a 40bbstack, so absolutly no need here to make such a move.