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[Closed] Could I have played better or was it only Poker Randomness?

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It was my fourth hand in FTP's Daily Dollar Tournament yesterday. Unfortunately I had no premonition of what might happen and was pretty confident that I will triple my chip stack. Instead this happened...

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em Tournament, 10/20 Blinds (9 handed)

MP2 (t2960)
MP3 (t2990)
CO (t2940)
Button (t2970)
SB (t3030)
BB (t3000)
UTG (t2760)
Hero (UTG+1) (t2980)
MP1 (t3370)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q, Q
UTG calls t20, Hero bets t100, 1 fold, MP2 calls t100, MP3 calls t100, 2 folds, SB calls t90, 1 fold, UTG calls t80

Flop: (t520) 8, 2, 5 (5 players)
SB bets t20, UTG calls t20, Hero raises to t600, MP2 calls t600, 1 fold, SB raises to t2930 (All-In), 1 fold, Hero calls t2280 (All-In), MP2 calls t2260 (All-In)

Turn: (t9160) 10 (3 players, 3 all-in)

River: (t9160) 7 (3 players, 3 all-in)

Results:
SB had 2, 2 (three of a kind, twos).
Hero had Q, Q (one pair, Queens).
MP2 had 5, 5 (three of a kind, fives).
Outcome: SB won t40, MP2 won t9120

Any advice is highly appreciated. THX in advance.


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GrantJennings
Joined: 31.07.2008

This is a good question. I'm not sure if my play here is optimal, so I'd appreciate comments as well.

I think your potsize raise on the flop is a bit too big, considering your goals with the bet. It's a dry board, so the overpair figures to be good. So, you are looking for:

1)value from top pair-type hands, and from JJ-99 overpairs
2)chase out the draws (67suited and maybe 34 suited might call the preflop action) or force them to draw with bad odds.
3)information (there are 4 opponents, one may have a monster. An overpair is not a monster).

the pot's at 580 once you call the donkbet. Raising another 300-450 (I like about 2/3 of the pot here) is enough that top pair will call, but drawing hands will be making an error by calling. Also, if you get called, no biggie, but a reraise is somewhat frightening, and gives us some of the information we are looking for.

I think that the call of the all in is... a good play, but I'd think about letting it go. This is borderline for me. Sandwiched against 2 opponents, both of whom seem to love putting chips in the middle, you could consider a fold.
Pot odds on the call are roughly 5-2, and I don't know that we are ahead often enough against four opponents (two of whom are in love with the pot) to call that.

Especially if you felt your edge in the tournament was better than the chances that you were ahead here, I'd let it go.

Am I a nit for wanting to fold this?


andyb43
Joined: 23.07.2008

Originally posted by dember
It was my fourth hand in FTP's Daily Dollar Tournament yesterday.

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Low buy-in, many seat MTT's (well I assume many seats in this case) tend to be Donk-fests early on with many players trying to double up early with anything. So good hands will be beaten.....even more so when you can't isolate


chenny8888
Joined: 03.10.2007

Hi all,

Originally posted by GrantJennings
This is a good question. I'm not sure if my play here is optimal, so I'd appreciate comments as well.

I think your potsize raise on the flop is a bit too big, considering your goals with the bet. It's a dry board, so the overpair figures to be good. So, you are looking for:

1)value from top pair-type hands, and from JJ-99 overpairs
2)chase out the draws (67suited and maybe 34 suited might call the preflop action) or force them to draw with bad odds.
3)information (there are 4 opponents, one may have a monster. An overpair is not a monster).

the pot's at 580 once you call the donkbet. Raising another 300-450 (I like about 2/3 of the pot here) is enough that top pair will call, but drawing hands will be making an error by calling. Also, if you get called, no biggie, but a reraise is somewhat frightening, and gives us some of the information we are looking for.

Oh yeah, don't worry about your tournament life. At the start only chipEV matters, that is to say everything you do that increases the amount of chips you have on average is good.

I think that the call of the all in is... a good play

I agree with everything up to here. You'd need a crowbar (or for them to hold up what hands they had) for me to fold an overpair like this on a low limit SNG. VERY unlucky that they happened to have sets, their range is like ace high, bottom pair, second pair, top pair, worse overpairs, 2pairs (that we have lots of outs against), open enders, gutshots... (i think you get my point, low limit MTT players are DAMN loose)