ok im in early position and get KK first hand, i make a 4bb bet and two ppl shove all-in, do i call or fold? and same question for AKs
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Hello, if you put it into the Equilator giving the two allins a wide range of TT+ AQo+ you only get around 54% equity and to be all in early you need 60+, and that is with KK so AKs is a fold also.
The only time I would get it in here is if you have notes on one of the players saying he shoves very lite early in a sit n go
It depends a lot on the BI... at lower limits players can ship it and call much wider than than TT+, AQo... so I call KK, almost always...
Heh I understand ur dilemma. Always sux to bust out on the first hand. I agree with what Nick said tho, if the buyin isn't too high I ship it as well. Won't be happy calling into two all ins but hey ...
Originally posted by lennonac
Hello, if you put it into the Equilator giving the two allins a wide range of TT+ AQo+ you only get around 54% equity and to be all in early you need 60+
Why?
I counted 9handed SNG with 1500 starting stacks and blinds 10/20 on first level.
If you fold, you have 1420 chips and ICM says that it gives you 10.864 % of total prize pool.
If you call and win, you have 27.886 % of total prize pool.
Therefore you need to win with probability 10.864/27.886 = 0.3896, which is 39 % equity. I have no idea where you found your 60 %.
With AKs you should fold, but KK is a call given the handranges AQ+, TT+.
Originally posted by NickParkes
It depends a lot on the BI... at lower limits players can ship it and call much wider than than TT+, AQo... so I call KK, almost always...
I agree the ranges will often be wider, but my thoughts on this at least one of them will almost always have a tighter range. That being said I dont think I could chuck KK, I had a hand on the bubble recently where I had AK with a decent stack but the chip lead shoved. The small stack had like 400 chips, you dont want to fold but sometimes you know you must.
I think this KK is much the same you know that "Most" of the time you should fold, I doubt anyone will though
Originally posted by Meiffert
Originally posted by lennonac
Hello, if you put it into the Equilator giving the two allins a wide range of TT+ AQo+ you only get around 54% equity and to be all in early you need 60+Why?
I counted 9handed SNG with 1500 starting stacks and blinds 10/20 on first level.
If you fold, you have 1420 chips and ICM says that it gives you 10.864 % of total prize pool.
If you call and win, you have 27.886 % of total prize pool.Therefore you need to win with probability 10.864/27.886 = 0.3896, which is 39 % equity. I have no idea where you found your 60 %.
With AKs you should fold, but KK is a call given the handranges AQ+, TT+.
trippling up early with give you 25.5% of the prizepool
Ok so you dont need 60% as it is 3 way, I over looked that, you need over 40% so yes it a call