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can we speak of pros and cons of calling or 3betting here? i mean a 3bet hardly generates any FE in my experience on these limits vs a minraise and when i get called i will be playing out of position. and i think the same goes for the same situation if mp2 was limping instead of minraising.

BB is a lag/tag and MP2 is unknown.

i'd like some opinions.

Created by SharpStats
Hand#2046014444000382 - Amsterdam 14444 -- $2/$4 NL Hold'em -- 2009-11-11 - 09:55:58
Seat 1: give1 ($447,00 in chips)
Seat 2: ++DV
2 ($74,00 in chips)
Seat 3: ISmo3 ($504,00 in chips)
Seat 4: Keys
4 ($298,70 in chips) DEALER
Seat 5: hero ($76,00 in chips)
Seat 7: Bein7 ($973,60 in chips)
Seat 8: zas2
8 ($437,90 in chips)
Seat 9: Fini9 ($463,60 in chips)
Seat 10: geto
10 ($360,50 in chips)
hero: posts small blind $2,00
Bein7: posts big blind $4,00
Dealt to hero [Qh,Kc]
zas2
8: folds
Fini9: folds
geto
10: folds
give1: raises to $8,00
++DV
2: folds
ISmo3: folds
Keys
4: folds
hero: calls $6,00
Bein7: calls $4,00
FLOP [4d,8s,4h]
hero: checks
Bein
7: checks
give1: checks
TURN [7d]
hero: checks
Bein
7: bets $12,00
give1: calls $12,00
hero: folds
RIVER [6d]
Bein
7: bets $28,00
give1: folds
Bein
7: returns uncalled bet $28,00
SHOW DOWN
Bein7: mucks
Bein
7: wins $45,60


7 replies
Ishindar
Joined: 31.12.2008

considering MP2 is unknown i play this hand exactly the same as you.

if MP2 is lag i 3 bet preflop which will hopefully discourage the BB from entering the hand also. I would then donk bet if the flop hits my range within reason. in this case the flop is low and i cant represent anything so i check to him.

if MP2 is tag ill limp in from the SB and play as you did.


Against a complete unknown this is a bit tricky, cause some I know many regulars min-raise from any position with their tag ranges, so you can't really just treat them as 2 limpers on this limit. But I don't like calling an MP2 raise with KQo either. Playing passively OOP sucks a lot.

So I think you either fold or 3 bet, since then at least you have initiative and can take the pot with a cb. I prefer folding against a complete unknown on this spot.


yea its a tough one. i dont think i can bring myself to fold here.

@Ishindar: i sent you a message


burek2000
Joined: 16.11.2007

Hey raun,

I would just muck KQ here against unknown for the following reasons:

- players use 2-3BB raises as their standard openraising range on those limits, so I wouldn't presume that's a weakness

- if you call preflop, you have high possibility of being squeezed by BB if he's really a LAG and if MP2 isn't too loose player you will be dominated by quite big part of his range and will dominate no hand

- also, if you call, you're OOP with marginal hand against preflop aggressor, so every half-decent player will outplay you postflop

- you could decide to reraise preflop, but I think doing so with KQ would be overplay against unknown

- and I hate unknown villains on NL200+ :)

Hope this helps, but I'm leaving unjudged for a little bit more experienced judge as I'm quite new to NL400+ myself.

Regards,
burek2000


imo the fact that he is unknown makes it more likely that he is a bad player.
i know all the regs on nl400+ who play when i play


tigerK
Joined: 14.10.2008

fold preflop. call OOP is bad, 3-bet is worst. This is not a good spot in NL400.

Against an unknown, play as straight as you can.


Gerv
Joined: 07.05.2008

I found calling the worst move unless you 3bet relatively small.

So I think I would 3bet to $28-30 or fold pre. A shove is a consideration but is mostly overplaying your hand while adding nothing to the equation (leverage)

- Gerv