NL100 SH vs turn b/3b

caltabiano

Joined: 09.03.2007

Posts: 1,950

24.11.2009, 15:25 0

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $1(BB) Replayer
SB ($93.62)
BB ($108)
UTG ($100)
CO ($20)
Hero ($112)

Dealt to Hero T♥ K♣

fold, fold, Hero raises to $2.50, fold, BB calls $1.50

FLOP ($5.50) A♠ 3♣ J♥

BB checks, Hero checks

TURN ($5.50) A♠ 3♣ J♥ 3♥

BB bets $4, Hero raises to $16, BB raises to $32, Hero...

I had been 3betting villain quite a big. We were playing together in 2 tables. He was calling my 3b pretty loose, even OOP. So basically just some aggression between us.
His stats: 22/19/3/13/16k (VPIP/PFR/AF/3bBBvSteal/Hands)

I see no reason to bet the flop, becaue I have K high and he's gonna fold all his lower pocket pairs on turn and river anyway. Also, I avoid a c/r.
I check back with the intention of raising the turn if he leads, because he can't have so many strong hands in his range, as he probably resteals AJ most of the time.

A 3 is also possible in my range, since I'm stealing from the BU, whereas the only reasonable 3 for him to have is A :diamond:3 and even that is pretty hard for him to have, since he's not gonna be calling that a lot OOP.

I could also easily play AJ like that.

And I thought the minraise seemed pretty weak.
What do you think of shoving here?

4 replies

_Anonymous_

24.11.2009, 16:21 0

Hi,

you regard a bet/min-3-bet on turn as weakness?
My experience is that he has at least 3x there, f.e. 43s, 32s, 53s or as you say A3s with which he didn't want to donk/fold on flop.
I guess a shove is -ev here, because he simply folds all bluffs and calls with 3x.

Let's see what the judges think.

Best regards,
Anin

caltabiano

Joined: 09.03.2007

Posts: 1,950

24.11.2009, 16:28 0

I regard a b/3b as strong usually... but the fact that he minraised and the fact that there are so few hands in his range. I don't believe he has all those 3x in his range, but rather A3 only.

I guess without a proper read, it's hard to shove, because even though he represents such a tiny range, he probably only has that specific range here.

Actually I believe this is such a specific spot that depends completely on opponent and .

I guess it's a fold unless I'm 100% sure he can be bluffing.

Just thought of something else. It's possible he has the nut flush draw as well.
And I guess if he does has a bluff range in that spot, the best line for me to take is to call his 3b, instead of shoving, because he never continues a bluff on the river.

Bierbaer

Joined: 27.05.2005

Posts: 3,322

25.11.2009, 11:17 0

I like a shove.
43 and other 3x hands (besides A3s) are simply not a part of his range, so the 3 is basically a blank.
He should also never have AK/AQ (3betting pre) at the turn and i think he wouldn't 3bet Jx and worse Ax at the turn because then he's basically bluffing with them.

And i believe if you call there he could definitely be bluffing the river because your hand looks weird and he could talk himself into betting.
He's also folding hands like 55 which he thinks he turned into a bluff - if you call and check the river he was actually valuebetting.

So since he can't call a shove with any hand at all because his valuerange is non-existent (as you already said, too) this is a great spot to 4betluff imo!

edit: Btw if he's 3bet/calling with a FD you have 65% equity and are actually shoving your K high for value ♦.

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caltabiano

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25.11.2009, 12:57 0

Originally posted by Bierbaer

edit: Btw if he's 3bet/calling with a FD you have 65% equity and are actually shoving your K high for value ♦.

Not if he has the nut FD

Yeah, dammit I really thought I should have shoved, but I just couldn't pull the trigger =/

Oh well, I'll learn

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