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[Closed] $2/4Fr: KK turn decision

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We play this hand on table of full of bad players. Any 2 two is standard, raising with any two for some players is possible. Capping with any two on any streets for some players is possible.

We have two players with no specific reads and limited stats. What is the best line for Hero here?

$2/4 LHE (7 handed)

MP2 32 hands - 59/6/1.2
CO 55 hands - 55/0/1.5

Preflop: Hero is BB with K:s, K:h.
1 fold, MP1 calls, 2 folds, CO raises, 2 folds Hero 3-bets, MP1 CAPs, CO calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (22 SB) 5:h, 6:c, 8:h (3 players)
Hero bets, MP2 raises, CO 3-bets, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (11.75 BB) 4:d (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, CO raises, Hero???


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DukeFreedom
Joined: 07.04.2008

My decision on the turn would be to start playing at a different pokersite, given that CO folded on the flop and then managed to raise on the turn anyway.


Upppss... I did it again... type it manualy in as I do not have any convertor for the site
Should be ok now

Funktor


DukeFreedom
Joined: 07.04.2008

These are always difficult hands against maniacs/unreasonable guys. I think I'd just fold the turn though. I'm sure you can get into better spots to win money from them... It's just going to be a very high variance play to call this down.

Playing some with the equilator and broad ranges (60% range, narrowed down to any gutshots, any pairs, and any flushdraws on the turn) for both opponents you're pretty much equal equity.

Removing the gutshot draws, you're only good for 27% equity anymore, which would make it a definite fold IMO.


Is this a hand from a quiz? Looks like one. ;)

15:2 with 2 guys that can have a lot hands here. If we really have 27% equity here I call. With 33% being the average 27% seems to be pretty much maybe I got something wrong here. Sure it may become expensive but can't they hold A8 and the other guy two :heart:?


DukeFreedom
Joined: 07.04.2008

Originally posted by ciRith
Sure it may become expensive but can't they hold A8 and the other guy two :heart:?

Well yes. But the 27% equity was obtained from taking the 60% range and keeping all the pairs, flushdraws and OESD's and anything better from that range. I doubt if they'd really be able to bet or raise with a bottom pair there though... If you remove any pair x4, x5, x6, you'd only have 16% equity anymore...

Besides, it can still get capped on the turn and we still wouldn't know where we stand. Then we might be faced with another 2 bets on the river and would you be able to fold then? I think we'd probably be paying far too much when we are behind and win less when we are ahead.


16% is really a bit low so a fold should be best. I sometimes call here when I'm running hot or when I'm on tilt I guess. *g*


I folded and guys showed AK (MP2) and TT (CO)

Funktor


HockeyTobi
Joined: 03.12.2005

What about capping the Flop? Tons of Draws and worse overpairs possible
btw, on which site are you playing?


This is from Bodog... unfortunately 1 - 2 tables at my BR (and only sometimes)...

When I was thinking about the hand again...
CAP flop, and bet-calldown turn and river to raise

but what about 3-bet than??

Funktor


Hmm cap is indeed an interesting option here.

I almost thought that the are that crazy but that's thinking result orientated. ;)

Against a 3-bet you cap of course.
Nah I think it's the same situation where you have to fold again as you are too often behind.