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[Closed] AQ TPTK, raise vs donkbet?

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Confeti
Joined: 02.04.2008
Elite Grinder

We was aprox 40 players, the first 3 win the entry.

I want to know something in cases like this: Does the line RAISE/FOLD for information exist? Or if we think he's tight we should play call to his donkbet and if he is loose we should play raise/call ?

Calling the flop I never know where I am, minraise/fold turn for free SD may be?

No Limit Holdem Tournament
10 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG slinky991 (3,040)
UTG+1 sex4pandas (12,100)
UTG+2 bane1888 (3,000)
MP1 Hero (5,980)
MP2 DeJaVU2008 (3,220)
MP3 manfredo177 (9,040)
CO diko0001 (2,680)
BTN darny100 (2,930)
SB M4CRO_UK (6,350)
BB ScorpionGN (2,660)

Blinds: 30/60

Pre-Flop: (90, 10 players) Hero is MP1 Q♥ A♣
slinky991 calls 60, 2 folds, Hero raises to 280, 4 folds, M4CRO_UK calls 250, 1 fold, slinky991 calls 220

Flop: Q♦ 10:heart: 5♣ (900, 3 players)
M4CRO_UK bets 360, slinky991 folds, Hero calls 360

Turn: 2♠ (1,620, 2 players)
M4CRO_UK bets 240, Hero calls 240

River: J♥ (2,100, 2 players)
M4CRO_UK bets 900, Hero calls 900

Final Pot: 3,900


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TheRebuz
Joined: 12.10.2008
BlackMember

raise flop, dont let him give the prize for drawing
if u just call flop -> raise turn, same reasons and raise hime like ur beting 2/3 pot not small raise


40 in, 3 get paid?

Get it in with TPTK. Raise/broke


sabo999
Joined: 11.06.2008
PokerStrategist

I think you can raise/fold the flop vs tight player, and raise/call all-in v loose player! He could just be playing stack sizes here, and the call on the flop looks quite weak or even just like a float!

as played, i agree raise the turn! as he can easily have worse queens or OESD/Gut Shots etc,,

Sabo :club:


Confeti Topic starter
Confeti
Joined: 02.04.2008
Elite Grinder

Originally posted by TheRebuz
raise flop, dont let him give the prize for drawing
if u just call flop -> raise turn, same reasons and raise hime like ur beting 2/3 pot not small raise

Is it always raise/broke? Is raise/fold an option?

Originally posted by sabo999
I think you can raise/fold the flop vs tight player, and raise/call all-in v loose player! He could just be playing stack sizes here, and the call on the flop looks quite weak or even just like a float!

as played, i agree raise the turn! as he can easily have worse queens or OESD/Gut Shots etc,,

Sabo :club:

But with a raise/fold I turn my hand into a bluff, so I don't know what is better.


TheRebuz
Joined: 12.10.2008
BlackMember

depends

first lets see preflop i'll raise biger 5x min to iso limper (so ill raise to 310-360)

as played on flop i raise that sb small donk bet to 1260- 1360 total - and no ur not turning ur hand into bluff ur raising for value if he 4bet shoves is tricky -> i never put him on set there cos most people slowplays them (as they should do on this board) and only set that he might have and play like this is TT but i dont think that he got TT in this spot (imo he is donking small for info to see did utg limper hit cos if he checks and limper checks when u Cbet he wont know what to do) the best he have is KJ, Qx, AT,KT, only hand that crashing u and is in his range is QT (but is more likely for him to have QK or QJ then QT cos there r less comb of QT hands out there) so if he shoves i'm more inclined to call cos his line dont have any sense to me but more often he will just call (with any Q or maybe even T) or fold and u win this pot ... so in order to def their range better u should iso raise limpers biger
and u should make this plays (raise ~pot size) vs this kind of donk bets with pure air and u'll see how many pots u'll take down ;)
and as played I"M ALWAYS RAISING ON TURN 1k more and i'll check river most of the times cos i dont expect him to call me on river with worse

p.s. guessing from his bet sizing he beat u on river (prob QJ or TJ imo)


larseda
Joined: 06.08.2006
Elite Grinder

I like ur line

pre its a raise
on flop I just call his donk because I have a medium hand and want that he bets again on turn
if u raise ... he will shove better hands and fold weaker hands ...

on turn its close, because of his minbet
u chould raise it ... or just call and hope for river bet
the pot is 2k on turn and u have 5k left ... so i think its better to call this and make a value bet on river ... becuase 4k pot on SD is a good size for ur medium hand


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