[Closed] KK on BB NL10

Preflop is fine, obv.

On the flop the reraise gives you no showdown value against him. Esentially turning your hand into a bluff, as you'll force out all the hands you're beating and keep in all the hands that beat you. It's therefore a bad idea. If you know what kind of hands he enjoys donking with it's much easier to play here. Generally people do it with weak hands rather than strong hands, so just calling against an unknown is fine.

On the turn you are essentially hoping he will fold some of his aces, as that's the worst he'll call with on the flop. Unfortunately most people who are content to complete from the SB with unsuited aces won't fold when they hit top pair. No matter who he is hedefinately won't fold A2, 3, 4, 5, T, J, Q, K. You might force him off 6, 7, 8, 9, but because he'll hold on to most of his aces bluffing isn't a good idea here as it won't work with most of his range (he could also have AA, 44, 55 here of course) Therefore you should check-fold turn and river and berate yourself for the reraise on the flop imho.

I agree 100% with the poster above. If it were me I would call the flop and fold the turn if he bets big again. He just has Ax waaaaay too often

Hi,

Originally posted by fryandspicy
Preflop is fine, obv.

On the flop the reraise gives you no showdown value against him. Esentially turning your hand into a bluff, as you'll force out all the hands you're beating and keep in all the hands that beat you. It's therefore a bad idea. If you know what kind of hands he enjoys donking with it's much easier to play here. Generally people do it with weak hands rather than strong hands, so just calling against an unknown is fine.

On the turn you are essentially hoping he will fold some of his aces, as that's the worst he'll call with on the flop. Unfortunately most people who are content to complete from the SB with unsuited aces won't fold when they hit top pair. No matter who he is hedefinately won't fold A2, 3, 4, 5, T, J, Q, K. You might force him off 6, 7, 8, 9, but because he'll hold on to most of his aces bluffing isn't a good idea here as it won't work with most of his range (he could also have AA, 44, 55 here of course) Therefore you should check-fold turn and river and berate yourself for the reraise on the flop imho.

While I mostly agree with everything you said, I'd rather say his line is too thin rather than plain wrong. The deal-breaker is just how many Ax hands bad players get into pot with, which makes it too likely he has a top pair compared to something else on that board.

Say you have QQ instead of KK and the board is KJ9 2t instead of A45r. Here it's perfectly fine to raise a flop donkbet and even valuebet a blank turn if villain calls, because of how many potential drawing hands or 2nd/3rd pair hands are out there and might pay off valuebets.

Hope it helps.