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Hlynkinn
Joined: 14.06.2008

No Limit Holdem Tournament
4 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
$30 + $3 Sit & Go

Stacks:
CO 09 Now or never (3,440)
BTN donttilt1 (5,300)
SB Hero (2,500)
BB Iia007 (2,260)

Blinds: 100/200

Pre-Flop: (300, 4 players) Hero is SB 8♠ 10:club:
2 folds, Hero goes all-in 2,500, Iia007 goes all-in 2,060

Flop: Q♥ 8♦ K♣ (4,760, 2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: 7♠ (4,760, 2 players, 2 all-in)

River: 7♥ (4,760, 2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: 4,760
Hero shows two pair, Eights and Sevens
8♠ 10:club:
Iia007 shows three of a kind, Sevens
A♣ 7♣

Iia007 wins 4,520 (net +2,260)

Hero collects 240 (net -2,260)

Feel like I might've made a huge mistake shoving here...
All players are winning regs


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Why would this not be a shove ?(

Looks like standard shove and standard call to me.


This is a "Golden Rule" shove, as discussed in my video "The Golden Rule." It would be a shove at this depth heads-up, and you have the big blind covered. That means it is definitely a Nash shove. You should only fold this if you think the BB will call significantly wider than the Nash calling range, and I don't see an indication that he was going to make a spite call.


Preaver
Joined: 18.07.2006

You do not need to post the results as they should not influence the judgement of the hand because you did not have those informations either when making your decision.

This is a pretty easy shove for me especially against a reg. He should know how tight he has to call, which is why you can shove pretty loose here.


Hlynkinn
Joined: 14.06.2008

Originally posted by pzhon
This is a "Golden Rule" shove, as discussed in my video "The Golden Rule." It would be a shove at this depth heads-up, and you have the big blind covered. That means it is definitely a Nash shove. You should only fold this if you think the BB will call significantly wider than the Nash calling range, and I don't see an indication that he was going to make a spite call.

no reason for him to do a spite call but I still see him calling me really loose here since we have bunch of hands on each other and he knows how loose I'll shove here... And I'm his direct opponent.. and due to the whole table being tough opponents he doesn't see much benefit in future spots...

But I understand T8o is a shove here =)..

I just put it into nash and he said BB should call 18% and I simply see him calling me way lighter... probably closer to the HU calling chart.. but that means it's still a +ev push... although just slightly I guess...

Do we fold T7o?? that's borderline in nash.. and a fold in HU nash chart

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You do not need to post the results as they should not influence the judgement of the hand because you did not have those informations either when making your decision.

I normally remove results when they could affect people reviewing the hand... But no need here since A7s is a superstandard call and doesn't really tell us anything :)


A winning reg should know not to call with a wide range even if he puts you on ATC, which he probably will not because it is over 10bb.


Preaver
Joined: 18.07.2006

A7s isnt that easy of a call. Of course if he puts you on any2 he has to call with a pretty wide range, but if the two of you have a little history together it is possible for him to fold a holding like A7s here.
You have to push at least 52% for the call to be marginally profitable.

But lets say Villain assumes you are on an any2 range, which would result in him calling something about 28%. Now if we go back into your shoes and assume that you know villain is calling about 28% you are only allowed to shove ~25% of your hands.

I know that this dies not really fit into this specific hand, I just wanted to show how ranges can be affected so much by so small reads and A7s isnt always an easy call for villain (it would be -2.85% if you were pushing only 25%).


both shove and call are within nash.

nh wp by all


Anssi
Joined: 03.07.2008

Push is super standard. Call is way more marginal since you can't know if opponent is pushing any 2 or not.


Unam
Joined: 17.08.2006

Yup, nice push and a good call, that is just variance here.