I attended the coaching and maybe I didn't get my point across in the discussion following this hand :
imho the main question is _not_ whether to raise or call flop, but how to proceed if raising the flop.
I liked the flop raise for the reasons stated, but not the check on the turn.
Putting myself in villains boots :
We're full stacked, yet didn't invest too much in this ( unraised ) pot so far, so hero's reraise might mean a lot of things - as could my minraise.
While the turncard most likely is a blank, lots of rivercards will kill ne action.
I just told hero I have a hand I like enough to call a 3bet on a 3s board IP.
Now the turn is checked to me and I wonder, what kind of hand would 3bet this flop, then check the turn to me ?
I'd expect any strong non-flush made hand not to give a freecard, rather playing b/f turn OOP. Hero obv is not in wa/wb mode, he wouldn't have raised the flop then, so he's unlikely to call me down.
A decent player ( and I have no reason to assume hero is not ) willing to go all the way would grease the pot, since it'd be difficult for him to get it all in on the river, if I checked the turn behind - I have plenty left in relation to the pot and had to like my hand very much to call a massive overbet on the river. Hero might slowplay, but that's unlikely, as a lot of rivercards will shut down ne action.
So, with any strong holding I'd expect hero to make a turnbet I'm likely to call, maybe about 1/2 ps, or a more smallish one which either could be to block or allow hero to come over the top if I reraised the turn. Since I've shown some strength on the flop, he wouldn't be overly worried of chasing me out with a reasonable bet.
A bluff would either fire a 2nd barrel or just give up the hand.
A marginal holding / draw might bet ( aggressive ), check ( passive ) or bet smallish ( block ).
A player whom I know to check for bluff induce a lot might do so, but that'd be a bad spot for this kind of play.
So, without this specific read ( inducing ) I wouldn't need to hold a particular strong hand to bet this turn as villain :
- if hero was not too comfortable with his hand I most likely can push him off
- if hero was drawing I won't give a freecard
- if hero came over the top I have an easy fold
- if I liked my hand so much I wanted to play for stacks, I'd rather get some money in now, since hero too has plenty left for 1 street.
I think hero has to lead the turn after 3betting the flop, since this already turned hero's hand into a semibluff and here I think it's better to follow through.Checking is inviting villain to bet, and imho only is an option, if you're planning to call neway, c/f comes close to openfolding the turn.
I don't think betting smallish would be a terrible play and give our hand away : it'd be on a 2s board w/ a FD, but here it's 3s already and hero can have the made flush already, so villain had to worry about being trapped by the nuts and drawing slim / dead if pushing. After all, hero 3bet a 3s flop and played solid this far, so a pure bluff is highly unlikely and villain had to give hero some credit for his play so far ( maybe not quite so much _after_ this hand though ).
rgz,
Mris
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I enjoyed the coaching, but sometimes was worried if you were not too concerned with explaining previous hands / answering questions to pay enough attention to the actual hand. I really liked that you put extra effort in explaining your thoughts when playing rather than just to comment what you do.
And well, and then there was 'gasping and moaning' !
( though I usually like this sounds coming from another - female in my specific case - person in rather different circumstances..
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Just kidding - it wasn't distracting at all and best wishes for getting well soon !