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muel294
Joined: 06.06.2009

Started playing pot control in case he flopped a set. The articles say play strong with two pair or better but wasnt able to reference it at the time and wasn't sure how strong strong meant?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 1.2 Tournament, 10/20 Blinds (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop | saw showdown

CO (t1500)
Button (t1490)
Hero (SB) (t1510)
BB (t1500)
UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t1500)
MP3 (t1500)

Hero's M: 50.33

Preflop: Hero is SB with K, 7
5 folds, CO calls t20, 1 fold, Hero calls t10, BB checks

Flop: (t60) 7, 3, 2 (3 players)
Hero bets t40, BB calls t40, 1 fold

Turn: (t140) K (2 players)
Hero bets t80, BB raises to t160, Hero calls t80

River: (t460) 10 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets t100, Hero calls t100

Total pot: t660

Results:
Hero had K, 7 (two pair, Kings and sevens).
BB had K, J (one pair, Kings).
Outcome: Hero won t660


6 replies

Fold preflop.


fold pre

as played: looks good. villains line looks very strong so no reason to go crazy without knowing more about him


I agree with folding preflop. However, I think you severely underplayed your hand. Since both a flush draw and an OESD are possible on that flop, I think you should bet more on the turn than 80 into the 140 pot. 100 or even 120 may be better.

As played, the small raise could be a set. However, there are only 8 combinations of sets possible: 1 set of Ks, 1 set of 7s, 3 sets of 3s, and 3 sets of 2s. There are 10 K♥ x:heart: hands which flopped a flush draw and turned top pair, and quite a few lower two pair hands, 9 combinations of 32, and 6 combinations each of 73, 72, K3, and K2. So, I think you should feel confident that your top two pair is far ahead of the big blind's range even after you get raised. I would 3-bet the turn.


muel294
Joined: 06.06.2009

Cool thanks. But are we happy to play for stacks here (I assume we 3-bet the turn to get it all in on the turn or river?) For example when holding an overpair on a low rainbow board when we raised pre, i.e if we are up against a two pair or better then "tough luck" kind of attitude...?

About folding pre:

If we have something with more postflop potential (KQs-K9s, for instance), would we consider completing, after all we are getting 5-1 pre?

I do agree in hindsight I shouldn't complete with K-7o.


Yes, I would plan to get all-in on most rivers after 3-betting the turn, although it is possible to play the river as check-call if the ace of hearts comes which completes the OESD, flush draw, and promotes some Ax hands to a higher two pair.

Top two pair is much stronger than an overpair. Top two crushes lower two pair hands, while AA would have only 8 outs on the turn.

How much you can complete from the small blind depends on your postflop ability and how predictable your opponents play. I think you should complete with most suited kings and offsuit broadways, perhaps a 35% range (including hands you might raise from the small blind). If there are more limpers, tend to play more hands which are suited and connected, and fewer hands like A7o which might have some high card value. If the limpers are tighter (such as from UTG), tend to tighten up yourself.


By the way, it also matters that your opponent is the big blind. If a tight player in the CO played back at you, then you might worry more because some tight players like limping with pocket pairs for set value. Such a player is not likely to raise you with 66, so sets make up a much larger proportion of a limper's range. Looser limpers will often have K♥ x:heart:, though. It is the big blind who will often have a lower two pair hand since checking is normal with 32, 72, 73, and K3.