10 Tips to get out of the Micros - #4 Flat more on the Button

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In the 4th part of his 10 tips to get out of the micros series, double2 will explain why you should be calling more on the button and playing more pots in position. He will also cover how incorrect plays will make you too tight and not profitable enough from the best position in poker.

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analysis balanced vs polarized call vs 3bet HM2 micro stakes Steal Theory Video

Comments (44)

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  • SOCRAMLR13

    #1

    GOOD
  • SPikeStaAr

    #2

    thanks
  • mute20

    #3

    Title is wrong
  • Adamast0r

    #4

    please fix the title.. #4, not #3
  • gadget51

    #5

    Super stuff yet again. :)
  • marokaantje

    #6

    thnx....
  • jfuechsl

    #7

    Great video again! I like your stuff a lot :)
  • cantunho

    #8

    great series !! keep the awsome work double2 :)
  • chipaid

    #9

    Good
  • lincristian

    #10

    great series thnx !!
  • RaucheCh1987

    #11

    nice vid
  • muel294

    #12

    Awesome video. Particularly liked the point about looking at villains postflop tendencies. Also, I was guilty of turning hands that were too good to 3b bluff ( and were clear flats) into 3b bluffs. This is something W34z3l alerted me to anyways, but this really corroborates that point.
  • hardlife66

    #13

    Look where I play the most you can win by 3 betting in any position is $0.03 at NL2 because everybody folds! even a min raise pre flop everybody folds most of the time.
    Yes, I understand what your saying but the hands your using I never get on BU, I hardly ever get dealt a pair and even less AK
  • DerEismann

    #14

    Rly nice series! Ty!
  • adasko99

    #15

    very helpful video, thanks! :D
  • fortunewheel

    #16

    you are basically only 3betting 1.8% vs utg otb. . IF i'm opening 15% utg i couldn't care less since i'd need u to fold on average for 65% to make my 4bet profitable hence we would merely exchange coolers AA///KK .
  • Calsaj

    #17

    Hi Double2, thanks for the video, I've played STT for 6 years but only started playing cash for 2015 so I have a few questions:

    - BU vs UTG raise - I don't completely understand the reasoning behind 3bet bluffing our Axs combos. Are they just the standard 3bet bluff hands because they have the least postflop playability of all the hands we don't intend to fold? Is the theory behind 3betting Axs hands that the average player is 4betting enough of the hands that dominate our Axs hands (AJ+, ATs+) that we are a little more equitable against their flatting range of QQ-JJ-TT-KQs etc?

    My concern here is that if villain does not have much of a 4bet range, as I assume most micro players don't (correct?), we are dominated/outkicked by the majority of his flatting range vs 3bet with weak ace hands. Against UTG villains who have 1% or 2% 4bet, would it be better to 3bet our suited connectors instead as we win bigger pots when we hit our draw vs. some of their big pocket pairs/tptk hands that they flat with? By the same logic if a player UTG has a higher fold vs. 3bet and flats the top of his range, can we 3bet some small-medium pocket pairs profitably under the assumption that we'll get a big payday when we hit our set on the flop and when we miss he'll often check AA/KK OOP to induce, giving us a free card frequently when we check behind on a missed flop?

    If this is correct and we make this adjustment, do we then just fold our Axs hands on the BU? Does this mean we have to add more drawing hands to our flatting range to compensate or do we just take the ~2% hit to our VPIP on the button?


    Thanks in advance!
  • GingerKid

    #18

    #17 I think the question is good, and it is tough to tell which hands are best for bluffing vs UTG and MP. hands like AQo, AJo, KQo will generate highest FE (blocks premiums and bluff 4bets), and will likely be +EV vs any player who doesnt defend too much. IP imo such hands have also good playability, since you will likely hve enough FE on flop with cbet being IP and having free turn card mostly. So imo such hands are great IP, and OOP less great since when we hit top pair, we are often dominated and come hard to the showdown cheap, and cant take free card.
    On the other hand, hands as low SC have better playability, can be used as higher EV bluffs than offsuit broadways, and dont have a problem domination, and have good payoff when we hit. The problem with those is, that FE is not good, if player defends enough, we block only hands that will fold, so theoretically those hands should be preflop -EV to 3bet, and we need to play postflop good enough vs villian to make it +EV. So imo SC are better OOP, and offsuit broadwas IP. still imo both are good.

    AXs hands are imo even the best bluffs, they have good equity vs villians range, they have great playability, they have good blocker and thus FE. Only big problem is domination, thats why we should be solid players postflop, and not go too crazy if we hit Ax and villian becomes agro. Thats why imo AXs are greatest hands IP to 3bet, also ok imo to call on BU.
  • GingerKid

    #19

    Just wanted to say, thanks double2 for this video, I was not aware of my leak that when I flat tight, I dont defend enough hands from BU, and actually fold great BU EV. I was uncomfortable allways flating BU, because I was thinking, reg behind will sqeeze often, then I have to fold, so I rather 3bet AQo, AJo, KQ, KJ, those hands play anyway great IP even though they are not value 3bet. I started one session flatting all those hands, and many suited hands, and realized really how people play weak on flop OOP, and how profitable it is BU when blinds call. So I started even calling hands as T5s vs some regs who have lower cbet% and higher fold vs float (so many of them have it), and it often doesnt matter what hand we have.
  • GingerKid

    #20

    Some info what next videos are coming, and when? I would really like to see a video about defending vs agro 4bettors, deep stack, 100bb deep, 125 deep in late positions
  • double2

    #21

    @17

    Hi! I think against UTG/MP we have to 3bet hands with blockers to villain's value range, when we are dealing with tighter ranges blocker effect gets a lot more importance, the increase in folds we get from holding a blocker is very significant and the issue about dominance is not enough for us to consider using diferent hands. Also, since we are IP dominance is a much lesser concern, we control the pot very well, and Axs actually play very well, usually what ends up happening is that when you play a big pot you actually hold 2pair and it's villain who is screw with his AQ/AK.
  • double2

    #22

    @19

    Thanks Ginger, very happy that you liked my video, you are a good player and that makes me extra satisfied :) . Next video will be coming soon. playing against 4bets is not in my plans for this series since it feels to me like a quite advance topic for the purposes of the series. Maybe in a live coaching or on a diferent series. And I suck at playing deep stacked, just an heads up :)
  • WildBeans

    #23

    great video, I used to flat a lot more and then i started 3betting/folding everything due to some bad runs. Will definitely incorporate. thanks
  • turbo2014

    #24

    Ugxc vcgffg
  • turbo2014

    #25

    O
  • Arunciuz

    #26

    lol
  • I3ryI3e

    #27

    Great video, i'll try to implement this on my game =)
  • royalfx

    #28

    Useful one.
  • linda82

    #29

    sorry but english is not really my Favorit here.
  • Benrenc380

    #30

    I have a question about flatting on the button.for example fullring table utg raises 4 BB.for example i have KT or KJ suited on the button. is it really worth 4BB to call that bet?
  • Laci24

    #31

    Really helpfull vid! Thx! :)
  • Zanardi1

    #32

    Is it me, or after 24:20 there is no sound?
  • ribpoker

    #33

    I'm actually struggling a bit constructing calling ranges when it comes to offsuited Broadways.
    One reason for coldcalling in Position is the good playability aka equity realization of speculative hands. The other is to keep the range of the opener wide and not let him fold his worse hands vs our 3bet and call with his better hands. This applies to hands like AQo and AJo.
    Hands like KQo and KJo don't apply to either category - at least in my opinion. Instead they have great blocking effects for Villains' monster holdings as AJ-AK and JJ-KK.
    On the other hand, I never know, if I'm dominating my opponent with these hands or if I'm dominated. They're easy folds against a 4 bet so until now I preferred putting these hands im my bluff 3 betting range instead of a hand like K8s and 87s which still do ok in my cold calling range.
    Like that, I keep the pot small with suited hands that have nut or second nut potential and build a big pot preflop with hands with TPGK potential.
    Would you still prefer putting KQo and KJo into your calling range and if so, what is the most important argument to do so?
  • double2

    #34

    Hi rib. Yeah, turning KQo into a 3bet BU vs CO does not make sense, unless you're doing for very thin value, and with the plan with calling a 4bet, which is obviously not what you are talking about. If you think about it, it's a very bad "bluff" hand KQo, in a sense that there's no way villain is folding any better hands. And it clearly plays very well against a CO opening range, if villain is opening hands like QTo, Q8s, KTo, K8s, etc, how can KQo be a dominated hand? You just putting a very strong hand in a 3bet/fold range which does not look good to me. I guess KJo is a lot closer and not so clear cut, so it might make some sense to 3bet/fold that, specially with very active/good players on the blinds. But K8s>KQo is never going to happen, it can't be correct to call K8s and 3bet/fold KQo. Suited hands are a lot better than their off suit counterparts, but you're way overdoing it. Hope I helped.
  • ribpoker

    #35

    I think I got it now, thanks a lot! I obviously overestimated the blocking effect and underestimated the many combos KQ dominates vs a range as big as opening from the CO.
    Accordingly, KQo could be a good bluff vs a range that has only a few broadways and more pockets that could not call for set value such as an open from utg or mp. Or am I wrong again?
  • double2

    #36

    yeah, UTG/MP ranges are a lot tighter and the value of calling KQo drops down of course. I still do call usually, specially against MP, but it's definitely okay to 3bet it. Just be aware of your frequencies because you easily end up 3bet bluffing too much.
  • itaba

    #37

    You are the best double what about a vid of 3bet /4bet postflop lines
  • double2

    #38

    ^^ thanks itaba :)

    Hopefully in the future I'll do something with those topics.
  • Maro99143

    #39

    Where are the first 3 parts of this series?
    A search give me part 4 to 9 only!!!
  • gabrielrgvas

    #40

    aee
  • Walleeee

    #41

    great series, really loving the step by step construction of a default gameplan preflop that can be adjustet with further information! :)

    one question though:
    since the plan to "defend" our button in order to maximize/protect the EV of this position is clear, how does that range construction (calling and 3betwise) apply for for example CO vs UTG or CO vs MP or SB/BB vs UTG and the remaining ones?
    As these postion battles get trickier and less +EV because of positiondeficits and other considerations, do we take a similar line of constucting our range just tighter and tighter? Or do we only stick to premium hands and kind of balance them with 3betbluffs as there is not as much to fight about (such as no blindpost and therefore good pot odds or absolut position postflop)?
  • double2

    #42

    @41 Hi Walleeee, thanks for the feedback.

    regarding playing MPvs UTG, BUvUTG, COvMP, etc, the approach is similar but you just play tighter and tighter, because the open raiser range is stronger and you have more people left to act (like COvUTG for instance). So if you're calling ~14% BUvsCO, then BUvsUTG should be closer to ~8%. Regarding playing on the BB, it is a diferent animal, because your pot odds are better and you close the action.
  • oviovi86

    #43

    good video
  • sikk

    #44

    Great video, wanted ask where can i get cbet popup for HM2 like this one?