[Closed] Ak

I'm not a fan of the small BU steal - 3.5BB all the time is best, in my opinion. But your arguments are interesting (for those interested in knowing why:

lilprincess (msn)
i have found i'm not called more often
people just don't fold for 1BB more
but they do fold the same hands for 1BB less
you should try it
if you get 3bet a lot

anyhoo, i'd probably call the check/raise since you get bluffed so much in those spots (especially if the guy has 5 AF - that's pretty huge). I'm inclined to call down, although a river fold is also possible. I don't usually see 3-barrels at NL100 or even at nl200, but then again party is significantly less aggressive... tough spot really, so that means there won't be a huge difference in ev between calling and folding...wait for the judges opinion

Oh and yes, I think busted flush draws would bet exactly that on the river.

lilprincess (msn) i have found i'm not called more often people just don't fold for 1BB more but they do fold the same hands for 1BB less you should try it if you get 3bet a lot

its not about their calling ranges
most of the money are made on the button
by raising 2.5 you simply play smaller pots in position
and, if you raise more from the other positions, then you are playing bigger pots oop
obviously, it should be vice versa))

Originally posted by xylere
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and, if you raise more from the other positions, then you are playing bigger pots oop
obviously, it should be vice versa))

not that obvious:
by keeping the pot small IP you have more room to use your position, and by playing bigger pots OOP you deny your opponent positional advantage

keeping the pot small IP you have more room to use your position

can you please extend this idea. or maybe show an example
i mean, it sounds like you are talking about 20BB stack strategy) how come 2BB bigger pot decreases your positional advantage/provides less room to use it?

well I could answer the same thing when you say I play bigger pots OOP, does 2BB really change alot ?
as a matter of fact i doesn't or almost doesn't, in single raised pots that is.

but try playing 3bet pot with 89s or A4s when the 3bet you're facing is 15BB, making it a ~31BB pot, its nearly impossible unless you flop the nuts.
however, if you face an 8 to 10BB preflop, and once you're a little deep (130BB) well you're putting yourself in great spots to outplay your opponent

this the gist of the 2.5BB button open: steal are cheaper and calling 3bets IP is cheaper.

If they adjust badly like by 3betting to 15BB anyway, throw in a 4bet and you will immediately show a huge profit because they risk 15BB to 2.5BB, and minraise/4bet really looks like a very strong hand so they always fold unless they've got the nuts.
If they adjust (still badly) by calling more, just multiple barrel relentlessly and you again show a good profit.

The only way to adjust is by tightening the 3betting range from the blinds, which is what i am looking for.

anyway, what do you think about postflop ?

Very good board to 3 barrel to be honest, u can only call a 3rd barrel with AK.

Really player dependent if hes a good player capable of doing that I would call.

Also his stats are taggish, which make me think he wouldnt call 2's 3's 45 OOP.

these stats look more tagfish to me than good tag tbh

well, stats aren't very bad - 5 vpip-pfr gap is ok
higher agression could be due to the small sample

but i guess i would fold it, his line and bet sizing looks ultra strong
27% breakeven equity, i really doubt we can make it

I´d call him down. He seems that type of player who could make 3-barrel bluff with busted draw or middle pp.

Originally posted by Kaitz20
I´d call him down. He seems that type of player who could make 3-barrel bluff with busted draw or middle pp.

this'd be such bad play imo with a middle PP. He actually has showdown value so why 3barrel it?

anyway, i still calldown :). but i'm a callstation.

Originally posted by lilprincess
well I could answer the same thing when you say I play bigger pots OOP, does 2BB really change alot ?
as a matter of fact i doesn't or almost doesn't, in single raised pots that is.

but try playing 3bet pot with 89s or A4s when the 3bet you're facing is 15BB, making it a ~31BB pot, its nearly impossible unless you flop the nuts.
however, if you face an 8 to 10BB preflop, and once you're a little deep (130BB) well you're putting yourself in great spots to outplay your opponent

this the gist of the 2.5BB button open: steal are cheaper and calling 3bets IP is cheaper.

If they adjust badly like by 3betting to 15BB anyway, throw in a 4bet and you will immediately show a huge profit because they risk 15BB to 2.5BB, and minraise/4bet really looks like a very strong hand so they always fold unless they've got the nuts.
If they adjust (still badly) by calling more, just multiple barrel relentlessly and you again show a good profit.

The only way to adjust is by tightening the 3betting range from the blinds, which is what i am looking for.

anyway, what do you think about postflop ?

I completely disagree. You don't get reraised that often preflop to justify your small raise by saying you can call the 3bet cheaper, for example with A4s. Calling 3bets with A4s is most of the times bad, since you are dominated quite often. Assume you did call with A4s and flop the top pair.....have fun playing that! Sometimes you call down and loose against a better A. If you fold on the way to the showdown you might fold the better hand, since you don't know if your opponent is barelling with air or not. If you want to outplay your opponent with less money in the pot you loose money. If you really think you can outplay an opponent, you would win more money if the pot would be bigger.
Very often your raise will be called and you are playing against a huge range in the BB. You will never know if he flopped the full house with 58s or if he just have air. You want to barrel him to death? I don't see that working against thinking opponents.

Your conclusions are wrong in my opinion. The best way to adjust against your BU play is to call a wide range of hands and just let your barrel. I call down with made hands, raise you with air or draws. I would reraise you preflop with all my good hands, since I know you will call a lot of hands.

Following your argumentation, the reraise pre is pretty cheap for me. And if I just call it's even cheaper.

I really can't recommend this BU play.

To the hand:

This is an pretty easy call down for me.

Best regards,
TribunCaesar

PF raise size is horrible - the only time I'd use this raise size is against ~20BB stack.

River is a pretty easy call imo. If you are going to call the turn you have to call the river.

I hate the preflop raise size as well, for reasons mentioned earlier.
I fold this on the river. His stats indicate he's at least decent so he has to put you on a hand. I doubt he will check/raise with a top pair ok kicker/underpair and then fire both turn and river, when it's pretty obvious that you have a decent holding. AK is also ruled out because he'd 3bet preflop. In some cases you might see a KQ doing this, but that's basically it.
The fact that he caught your bluff on another table doesn't mean a lot: you're not floating both flop c/r and turnbet with absolute air. Few players are capable of taking this line with absolute air or a hand with decent but not great showdownvalue, so I can find a fold.