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[Closed] NL100 QQ what to do after 3bet?!

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DeKuip
Joined: 07.03.2008
Elite Grinder

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $1(BB) Replayer
SB ($100)
Hero ($168)
UTG ($182)
UTG+1 ($100)
CO ($186)
BTN ($38)

Dealt to Hero Q♣ Q♦

fold, UTG+1 raises to $4, CO raises to $12, fold, fold, Hero calls $11, UTG+1 calls $8

FLOP ($36.50) A♠ K♥ 3♦

Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $9, CO folds, Hero folds

UTG+1 wins $34.70

UTG+1: 17/14/3.7 (2.2k hands). Openraise MP 12%, Fold to 3bet 45%, 4bet range 4.1%.
CO: 26/21/3.4 (2.8k hands). 3bet% 6.9, fold to 4bet 45% (only based on 11 situations where that happened), 4bet range 0.7%.

Right, so lately I started to think about my game and that results in some situations where I do something different than I would have normally done. This is one of those situations. I know QQ is pretty, but I used to auto-stackoff with that hand. In this situation I decided not to 4bet.

My thought was that 4betting here would simply isolate myself against KK+. So the only reason for 4betting would be to pick up the pot. And I thought QQ was too good for just picking up a pot here. Both players had reasonable cbet%, so I thought calling would be better here.

Now I would like to know your thinking process, or any comments on my thinking process and what play would you prefer.

As played the flop is rather easy c/f, so no real questions about that.


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HannesNL
Joined: 19.11.2008
Elite Grinder

Ya, I play it the same way usually, and balance it with flatting AA-KK sometimes.

4-betting is usually isolating versus a range of KK+. And because he is a frequent 3better, I think you can make more money by flatting and outplay him post-flop than 4bet pre, and pick up dead money most of the time.


Bierbaer
Joined: 27.05.2005
Oldschool Grinder

Since you're OOP and are likely going to play a 3handed pot this is a 4bet-or-fold decision.

I think i'd actually fold the hand because UTG+1 is reasonably tight and so once CO 3bets he has a pretty strong range - he might even not 3bet JJ and worse.

As you say vs this range there's no point in 4betting - but there's also no point in calling.
You basically hope that the flop doesn't bring an A or K and you can get him off of AK.

Edit:

Originally posted by HannesNL
Ya, I play it the same way usually, and balance it with flatting AA-KK sometimes.

You are balancing your nutrange by adding some more nuthands?

The problem is that you can't balance your range in this spot. Balancing would mean you call for example some suited connectors like 87s - but you can't because it isn't profitable.
So calling there with QQ+, AK always turns your hand completely face up.
Somewhat competent opponents will just not be stacking off if they can't beat TP.


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