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For all the players who use online poker software such as Poker Tracker 3, Hold 'em Manager and others, do you think you could play online without them and if you tried what do you think would happen to your bankroll?


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Berzerger
Joined: 24.03.2008

Less profit, easy as that. You could manually note down every hand of every opponent you're playing and calculate his VPiP/PFR/AF etc. by hand, which is a boring and time consuming routine job that doesn't teach you anything. You could hire a person to do that for you while you concentrate on the game. Or you could just buy a program which does that instantly with an easy to overview HUD. So why would you ever play without software?


Wurble
Joined: 04.04.2009

I used a hud on stars for a bit and have now moved to cake where I can't use any software and at first it was a weird not having the stats but as nobody is allowed to use them it doesn't hurt the win rate.

I think, if you're allowed to use stats at your poker room then you'd be silly not to because you are giving away a massive advantage to those who do use them.


HUD is big money-making tool. Simple as that. SNG-wise, not havaing it, would probably mean substatially lower volume of active tables, lower ROI and on a long run you probably wouldn't stand a chance on higher levels against regulars who do use software. Thow I don't play ring games, I think these facts could also apply for cash games.

All in all... Using HEM, PT3 = +Ev ;)


Everytime I try use a hud when mass multi tabling it seems to have some sort of fault, tried pt3 and HM hud, both had some sort of issue, like players names where in wrong orders, so I never really used huds. However, maybe I should read about how to customize it. Obviously huds are an advantage because you are able to find out how tight or agressive a player is without keeping track of it yourself, hope I learn how to use it! When playing 20+ tables, you don't exactly have much times to right click the guys name and see their flop stats, so it's mostly useful preflop wise.


@Nick
Yep, I had the same HUD problems as you described on TitanPoker(its probably alike on other IPoker rooms), but it works fine on FullTilt. Hope you find the solution, till then... pure soul reading :P.


chuongdk
Joined: 22.03.2009

it is -EV
now I could not play without it


nathanrenard
Joined: 10.02.2009

Right now i'm playing too much Rush Poker.

Altough i still use the software to track down my winnings, and analise my own mistakes.


After plqying without a HUD for several years, now that I am using it, I wouldn't give it up, especially for mutitabling. Just using a HUD has got me from 4 tabling to 6 to 8 tabling alot more comfortably.


NightFrostaSS
Joined: 25.10.2008

Not much would change for me


I only USE the tool for the graph to see my plus/minus when i play the stats i never follow. I just play my cards


ihufa
Joined: 18.03.2008

without a HUD: yes (i rarely use one)

without the pokersoftware: this is the real challenge


tokyoaces
Joined: 01.04.2009

My hands-per-hour and money-per-hour would both go way down. Might as well play live.


i have played hundreds of thousands of hands without a HUD nor traker and have played about 100K hands with a tracker, no HUD. The trker does help but isnt neccessary.


Octhellior
Joined: 06.10.2008

I play mostly headsup so... yea, np.