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<<"Poker isn't gambling." You have surely heard someone say it. You may have said it yourself. Whoever says it usually really means, "On the long run, everyone expects to receive the same distribution of good and bad hands. Being lucky does not make you a long-term winner, playing better than your opponents does. Eventually, the bad players will all lose, and the good players will all win. " That is a bit long-wided, though, so most people stick to "Poker isn't gambling." You are better off not abbreviating, though, because the second statetement is true, while the first is not! Poker is gambling.
In fact, while it may seem like a harmless cliche, denying that poker is gambling can cause you to make systematic errors. Expert poker players make their money in fundamentally the same way that casinos, bookmakers, sports handicappers, card counters, and any other long-term winner at gambling make money. With every decision they strive to maximize their overall expectation. .......................
As can be seen, poker is gambling. Anyone who says it’s not or states that when he plays he doesn’t gamble, does not understand poker as well as he should. Poker is gambling because your outcomes, for the most part, are not certain.Sometimes you will do much better than expected and at other times much worse. You may even lose to players who are not nearly as skilled as you. But what sets poker apart from many other gambling games is that your expectation can be positive.>>

Source: Small Stakes Holdem-Sklansky,Miller,Malmuth


Source:
Theory of Poker, Sklansky, 4th Edition, page 2

For above all, you must remember that poker is not primarily a game of luck. It is a game of skill.

Regards

TTT


Nobody ever said it's not a game of skill. It's just a gambling game of skill.

When you say poker isn't gambling you probably mean:

On the long run, everyone expects to receive the same distribution of good and bad hands. Being lucky does not make you a long-term winner, playing better than your opponents does. Eventually, the bad players will all lose, and the good players will all win.

Now, go and reread adr0001 post!


Dragar
Joined: 09.09.2008

If poker is gambling than by the same definition stock markets, real estate, forex, etc. is gambling....

The primary reason why poker should not be defined as gambling is because roulete etc. is gambling. It is clearly not the same thing. This is also the reason why investing in the stock market is not called gambling, although when looking at it in the way you look at poker it should be gambling.


Backcushion
Joined: 29.12.2007

Actually poker is gambling,although now it's considered sports(which is don't agree on).The thing is that the skill part in poker is so big,that the edge of better player against weaker player is huge.In horse racing or blackjack you have a edge too,only smaller.Roulette,lottery-there is no edge and it's purely gambling.

But remember,in poker,you can see the worst player in the world beat the best player in the world,if the cards come right.


Originally posted by Dragar
If poker is gambling than by the same definition stock markets, real estate, forex, etc. is gambling....

True.

The primary reason why poker should not be defined as gambling is because roulete etc. is gambling. It is clearly not the same thing.

Why not? The difference between poker and roulette is that in poker you can make +EV move while in roulette you simply can't.


Dragar
Joined: 09.09.2008

Originally posted by louc

Originally posted by Dragar
If poker is gambling than by the same definition stock markets, real estate, forex, etc. is gambling....

True.

The primary reason why poker should not be defined as gambling is because roulete etc. is gambling. It is clearly not the same thing.

Why not? The difference between poker and roulette is that in poker you can make +EV move while in roulette you simply can't.

The reason is quiet simple.

It generates trouble from a legal stand point because of anti-gambling laws. If you redefine poker to another word those laws would not apply to it anymore.


You just don't want to be called gambler do you? You are convinced that gambling means loosing money in the long run (making -EV moves). So this discussion is pointless. As it's also completely off topic it's probably best to end it here.