yep 20bb+/100 ftw 
imo only site good enough for that on nl2 is stars. I'm not sure how is NL5-10 on FTP compared to Stars, but it's pretty safe to say that nl2 and then nl25++ are the best on Stars.
@fusionpnk More important question is who the f** took my nickname there so that I had to add a 7 in it
Originally posted by elhh82
I don't get why people who are playing on micros are thinking about rakeback.You guys should be thinking about crushing the games and moving up. You're seriously limiting your potential winnings if you rakeback whore at the micros.
IMO, playing on the tough sites are overrated. 10bb/100+rakeback is not even close to being as good as 20bb/100 without it.
In fact, when you are a bonus whore in addition of being a rakeback whore, you get about 60-70% rakeback, so 10bb/100 is same as 17bb/100. Pretty close IMO.
If you can beat NL10 at 20bb/100, good for you. I personally can't. Don't know, maybe I am stupid or something. I have an IQ of 130, I have graduated Psychology, I did universitys qualification exam better than 94% of the people. I've read bronze and silver articles several times, currently working on gold articles. I've read Poker Mindset. I've played over 100 000 hands.
And I still have trouble beating NL10 at ANY winrate.
Probably something wrong with me. I hear people saying that beating micros is piece of cake all the time. For me it isnt. Maybe poker just isn't my thing. Any ideas?
I'm playing on PartyPoker and 25% rake for $0.8 SnG's without any rakeback hurts. ♠_evil:
And I still have trouble beating NL10 at ANY winrate.
I tried to search your nick in BSS hand evaluation forums and found only 3 thgreads. You should try post more your hands, for me it helps a lot, and I don't feel such a noob at NL10. Or maybe you are tilting?
I play in pokerstars I beat NL 2 and NL 5 in like 5 mounts but NL 10 is pain in ass so much regs and low fish rate, but I heard that at NL 25 it same as in NL 2 just because much fishes prefer to play NL 25 and get lucky, not play NL 2 and win small amount so I think don't play micros on these big sites take some small with some 20-30k traffic and u will be fine if u study well.
And ofc its best if u got rakeback at start.
Originally posted by Dendra
yep 20bb+/100 ftw@fusionpnk More important question is who the f** took my nickname there so that I had to add a 7 in it
I played you alot... but then again you are like ultimate nl2 grinder soo you not fancy moving up? looks like you took shots but didnt make the move?
go to entracion network ,pokerstrategy offers bonus at 24H-one of their poker rooms. It offers 30% rakeback and games are the softest ever.
Originally posted by elhh82
I don't get why people who are playing on micros are thinking about rakeback.You guys should be thinking about crushing the games and moving up. You're seriously limiting your potential winnings if you rakeback whore at the micros.
IMO, playing on the tough sites are overrated. 10bb/100+rakeback is not even close to being as good as 20bb/100 without it.
Have you seen the rake at the micro's?
Originally posted by MrMardyBum
Originally posted by elhh82
I don't get why people who are playing on micros are thinking about rakeback.You guys should be thinking about crushing the games and moving up. You're seriously limiting your potential winnings if you rakeback whore at the micros.
IMO, playing on the tough sites are overrated. 10bb/100+rakeback is not even close to being as good as 20bb/100 without it.
Have you seen the rake at the micro's?
more reason to take shots and move up
I don't worry about rakeback, I rather concentrate on my game and get better, ♦
Playing $2 turbo's and $1 sup turbo's on ftp. Doing quite well at the moment and getting better at figuring out what cards people play, ♦
Agree with the taking shots things - But you got to remember at the micro's you can't really have bluffing in your arsenal (unless you are playing SH) and you get a lot of unpredictable players doing some random and jaw dropping things.
Big hands are constantly being cracked by silly little hands that (in theory) shouldn't have even thought about calling preflop. With all that to get through and then variance itself, I like to get 7 BI's back a week... And why not? Better than getting nothing at all.
Also, I don't rake grind - I just grind and get that rake, while heading for gold ironman to add to my year end bonus.
Say what you like about "improving your game" and all that jazz, but why miss out on cash that is just sitting there and asking you to take it?
Clearly at pokerstars/Full tilt, I would recommended FTP why? If you don't succeed so well at tables you can earn extra money - rakeback each week.
Originally posted by BLOWMEBABE
Clearly at pokerstars/Full tilt, I would recommended FTP why? If you don't succeed so well at tables you can earn extra money - rakeback each week.
yeah as if rakeback is anything at micro stakes
I think this may help with your decision scroll down to the bottom, european players arent the ones losing the most money but it could be for a number of reasons.
Originally posted by MrMardyBum
Say what you like about "improving your game" and all that jazz, but why miss out on cash that is just sitting there and asking you to take it?
This is called missing the forest for the trees.
so much more money to be made when you spend time improving and moving up.
This argument is similar to "why should i go to school? I can already make "tons" of money doing odd jobs for my neighbours.
What I'm saying is that everyone that is a member of this site is trying to improve thier game - So it's a mute point - If they weren't why would they be here.
Still stands that you'll make a better return playing micros at FT than you will at Stars. No matter what game you play at the micro's.
Originally posted by MrMardyBum
What I'm saying is that everyone that is a member of this site is trying to improve thier game - So it's a mute point - If they weren't why would they be here.Still stands that you'll make a better return playing micros at FT than you will at Stars. No matter what game you play at the micro's.
"improving" is relative. There are many here who have played a few hundred k hands at NL5 and below. If that's happening to you, then either you're a) not working hard enough to move up, b) wasting your time c) not cut out for poker.
If it's just a decision of loyalty bonuses, FTP > Stars for people who can't make Supernova+
Otherwise, i think any other random site should be better to play on, unless you need to grind for the volume.
I'm currently playing two tables of SH Rush and running at 9.56bb/100.... Hardly a major grind. I won't get 7 BI's because I am not playing NL2 now - But I'll still make AT THE VERY LEAST 3.
Point is where to play the micro's and that is anywhere that offers rake and bonuses that can be aquired at the micro's, so you can get out of the micro's and take you shots sooner than you would if you were playing at Stars or a site that offers no rakeback.
btw, you should also know that all new members who are getting the starting capital on FTP From Dec 1 onwards, don't get rakeback until they make a deposit.
