Skip to forum
Notifications
Clear all

ATs 0,5/1

3 Posts
2 Users
0 Reactions
185 Views
brommy
Joined: 27.09.2008

Napisane przez voytec15
Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

Graj rękę

$0.5/$1 Fixed-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A:s, T:s.
MP2 folds, MP3 raises, Hero 3-Bets, 2 folds, BB calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (9.5 SB) 7:s, 6:d, A:d (3 players)
BB checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets, BB calls, MP3 raises, Hero calls, BB calls.

Turn: (7.75 BB) K:s (3 players)
BB checks, MP3 bets, Hero calls, BB calls.

River: (10.75 BB) 5:h (3 players)
BB checks, MP3 bets, Hero calls, BB raises, MP3 calls, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 15.75 BB.

MP3: 32/25/2.7/45
BB: 29/24/2.3/38

here is a thing: I cannot agree that raise flop is better than raise turn. Argument for raise flop is to protect hand and don't slow play it.

IMO if you play 3b on flop BB got still a good odds to call 2SB with draws. Some scenario:

assume that BB got OESD
* if we play 3bet on flop BB have to put 2SB into 13,5SB pot, and his equity (assuming MP3 got A8+)

Stół: A♦6♦7♠
Equity Wygrana Podział
MP2 26.10% 19.06% 7.04% { AsTs }
MP3 30.37% 30.07% 0.30% { 98s, 98o }
CO 43.53% 36.18% 7.35% { A8s+, A8o+ }

he will still have good odds to call (so why asked myself where protection, in that spot IMO you cannot protect hand)

on turn BB with OESD got much worse odds

Stół: A♦6♦7♠ K♠
Equity Wygrana Podział
MP2 43.86% 34.73% 9.13% { AsTs }
MP3 14.93% 14.93% 0.00% { 98s, 98o }
CO 41.21% 32.08% 9.13% { A8s+, A8o+ }

so if he decide to call 2BB on turn he made a mistake.
scenario on turn looks almost the same with FD/monster draw.

That are my arguments for playing raise on every turn except cards make draws complete.


Reply
Quote
2 replies
Dawnfall26
Joined: 30.07.2008

Hi!

My default here would pretty much always be to 3bet flop and Im pretty sure its the best play.

But lets analyse...

both guys seem as decent players,maybe slightly overagro and MP over SDbound. So preflop Mp3 range can be described quite well and BB doesnt really have just whatever but there are certainly pockets,broadways,mid-high Ax,some suited connectors.

On the flop BB calls your bet,he has some FDs,SDs or slowplays,but mostly he has Ax(playing 3way WAWB) and maybe something like TT-KK
MP3 makes c/r and his by far most likely hand is Ax(lets say A9+,since Im sure he is not c/r all his range and also AK is excluded due to preflop) and few FDs which have strong equity anway

so...I think vs MP3 you should be a dog(around 40%) and vs BB prolly a slight favourite(55-60%)

MP3 46.33% 40.62% 5.70% 77-66, AQs-A9s, KdQd, KdJd, QdJd, KdTd, QdTd, JdTd, AQo-A9o
CO 26.00% 19.24% 6.75% AsTs
BB 27.68% 24.46% 3.21% KK-QQ, 77, AJs-A9s, KdQd, KdJd, QdJd, KdTd, QdTd, JdTd, AJo-ATo

Sure these ranges may be a bit too tight but your equity by far from being good and you would need to add quite a few of worse Ax to both guys to become a favourite...

So I would just call his flop raise and calldown in hopes of worse Ax. AJ is close and prolly good enough and AQ definatelly raise.

Also,would like to mention that your analysis are fine but missleading since I dont really see the point in calculating equity vs just one single hand here. Also you cant really make analysis on this turncard when you are on the flop and you are saying that you would raise on any blank(so there will also be like 2 :clubs and now FD will have higher equity

And if you actually decide to raise it(to be happy lets prettend you have AJ) Im doing it on the flop for sure and its not really for protection but for value.
Factors are:
-you will definatelly get called down by worse Ax,if you raise turn its not so obvious since hand like A8 doesnt really beat anything except wierd bluff which you will never have in such spot(on the flop you can still have like KdQd)
-if MP3 has a draw he will not always bet turn since its seem pretty obvious that one of you 2 is looking very SDbound here
-its unbalanced

All in all your equity on turn will certainly drop and also hand that will pay you off will decrease...so Im not liking it much

And also you are calculating equity on the turn when he has a draw.Equity does not matter here. Its all about odds and outs for 89 and he has 6 outs in your case getting about 1:5 and he will call it and he should as you will not always have a FD there so he doesnt want to fold a possible 8 outer.


Reply
Quote
brommy Topic starter
brommy
Joined: 27.09.2008

Thank you for answer Sir!


Reply
Quote
Share: