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Siliciom
Joined: 04.02.2007

Hi,

This is a situation that happen a lot when I play those stakes. I don't get the spirit of "Let's make the best hand to fold with the obvious 3rd holding with no outs". I've to fold a lot or calling 3bet/caps on the flop with overcards or small pairs and... or I've to fold big pairs facing a 3bet cold on the turn. I'm feeling really bad about it every time it happens. I'm not always folding the best hand, but I often see one of the regs giving action with absolute crap...

I either making some obvious mistake often, or I'm really good and the others are bad. The first option is always more likely...

If someone have an explanation, I would like to read it :)

$2/$4 Fixed-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K:d, K:s.
MP2 raises, MP3 calls, Hero 3-Bets, 2 folds, BB caps, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (16.5 SB) 3:h, 7:d, 7:c (4 players)
BB bets, MP2 raises, MP3 calls, Hero 3-Bets, BB caps, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (16.25 BB) 4:c (4 players)
BB bets, MP2 raises, MP3 3-Bets, Hero folds, BB calls, MP2 caps, MP3 calls, BB calls.

River: (28.25 BB) 2:c (3 players)
BB checks, MP2 bets, MP3 calls, BB folds.

Final Pot: 30.25 BB.
Results follow:

MP3 shows three of a kind, sevens(8:c 7:h).
MP2 shows a full-house, fours full of sevens(4:h 4:d).

MP2 wins with a full-house, fours full of sevens(4:h 4:d).


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

I don't see what the question is, but as a general rule, if one player goes berserk, there is a chance that he is fooling around. If two players go nuts on the flop, there is a much much smaller chance (not half the chance, smaller) that both of them are kidding. With three players going bonkers, chances are practically zero that you are good, very much so if this happens on the turn.

I'm not saying anything here that you don't know already, I'll try to explain what I mean.
What I am trying to say is that multiway, people bluff much less, at least they should. As an adequate approximation you can set their bluffing frequency to zero if there are three or more of them, especially on the turn when semi-bluffing isn't profitable anymore, even multiway, probably already on the flop since it is so unlikely that all are drawing on a board like that given the preflop action.

I think you played it perfectly.


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Siliciom
Joined: 04.02.2007

Sorry, my question wasn't explicit. I was a bit pissed off the day I posted the hand. The BB and UTG players were regs, MP3 is the weak player.

What I would to know is the general line you would choose if you were in UTG's shoes (with your entire range). I don't understand the raise on the flop with such a low PP. I guess his coldcall after the cap flop make sense because of the pot odds+implied, but what's the point in raising the first time here?

Concerning my play, I'm not 100% sure this is a 3bet on the flop because I can hardly handle a 7, and I need to be really strong to give action and I think I should still coldcall a lot on that flop (so I should have some strong hand in my coldcalling range too). On the turn, facing a 3bet cold, I can't continue, but here again, I'm still seeing regs raising again with TT being UTG.


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