Facing Flop Raise OOP

Fold right away because btn raised you when you had fd+gutshot? Dude... go allin, the pot with all the action is already more than 2 and he should had like 3.8 or something

You can squeeze preflop but you can call too. As villains behind you do not look aggressive, you can call.
On flop he is raising mw and this is very strong. We cannot fold though...

normally hands like ATs AJs AQs Aks plays better in multiway pots then their nonsuited counterparts. So with a hand like that we don't mind taking it home preflop.

You are right that this hand can work both as a squeeze and as a call.
OTF you have a nut FD+gutshot and the raise size is almost min-raise, no folding here.
Also you can't re-raise and then fold, you would be already committed.
We have only 12 outs and I usually want 15+ before I stack off so I would very likely just call here.

Originally posted by la55i
You are right that this hand can work both as a squeeze and as a call.
OTF you have a nut FD+gutshot and the raise size is almost min-raise, no folding here.
Also you can't re-raise and then fold, you would be already committed.
We have only 12 outs and I usually want 15+ before I stack off so I would very likely just call here.

I think its a call if someone else call too, but since the other 2 folded. if you call the flop just against btn you end up in a 2.6 pot with 3.8 behind and you have to call any turn, then you ll have like 1.5 in a 6+ pot on the river you cant call to end up with a busted gutshot+fd draw so in my opinion you have to reraise allin against btn

You cannot fold a combodraw to nuts here.

Originally posted by bigdog63
I could squeeze here, but I was actually concerned that button might call.

why? you played 13 hands vs the btn. how could you now he would call?
call is fine to me, but your reasoning make no sence

vs 3 opponents i like to play my draws passive. as played i find never a fold to this minraise

gl

Originally posted by luchoprat

Originally posted by la55i
You are right that this hand can work both as a squeeze and as a call.
OTF you have a nut FD+gutshot and the raise size is almost min-raise, no folding here.
Also you can't re-raise and then fold, you would be already committed.
We have only 12 outs and I usually want 15+ before I stack off so I would very likely just call here.

I think its a call if someone else call too, but since the other 2 folded. if you call the flop just against btn you end up in a 2.6 pot with 3.8 behind and you have to call any turn, then you ll have like 1.5 in a 6+ pot on the river you cant call to end up with a busted gutshot+fd draw so in my opinion you have to reraise allin against btn

Yes we end up in 2.6$ pot with 3.8$ behind. That is still 1.5x the pot. We are not committed. And by calling you keep all of his possible bluffs and AK etcetc in his range. If you decide to shove, it will be a huge raise that will fold out almost everything else but hands that crush us (and with 12 outs I'm not just yet super comfortable with that). And raising smaller than all-in wouldn't make sense. Also we have so many outs that folding is out of question.

Call all day long:
- As other mentioned before you want him to keep bluffing and he's not doing so if you jam as you are going to fold all his blufs and if you jam you are crushed.
- You have excellent implied odds for that to just call if flopped set or double pairs your jam is EV-.

thanks a lot mates. Call makes indeed a lot of sense - I ended up re raising - getting it AI, and loosing to a FH