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Folding KK in 3bet pot on A-high board

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rompas
Joined: 12.02.2014
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i would fold this flop raise,, will get better spots to win money i think


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pokerplayernumber1
Joined: 05.06.2010
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fold seems fine


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010
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The problem with calling is that the betting may not stop on flop and we will face a bet on turn too.


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FlyingDutchm1n
Joined: 21.08.2012
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For the people saying you have 25% equity, you do understand that that is FLOP to RIVER equity NOT flop to TURN equity right? As in the call is from flop to turn not an all in call where you get your flop to river equity..............


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RaiseDaAce
Joined: 18.07.2009
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Originally posted by bonecore
Point 1. If he is folding to 3b 70% then we should just flat call KK.
Point 2. If he folds so much preflop then he hits stronger postflop. Does not matter that much how often he raises vs cbet , if he has a nitty range or course he hits more often and stronger. It is very ok to fold on the flop.

Poker Stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players -
MP: $8.78 - VPIP: 78, PFR: 11, 3B: 0, AF: 0.5, Hands: 9
CO: $10.00 - VPIP: 0, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 18
BTN: $10.15 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 17, 3B: 10, AF: 4.8, Hands: 580
SB: $10.11 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 15, 3B: 8, AF: 4.7, Hands: 337
Hero (BB): $10.28 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 17, 3B: 5, AF: 2.2, Hands: 92739
UTG: $12.06 - VPIP: 31, PFR: 26, 3B: 9, AF: 2.8, Hands: 93

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with 3 :spade: 3 :club:
1 fold, MP calls $0.10, 2 folds, SB raises to $0.50, Hero calls $0.40, MP calls $0.40

Flop: ($1.50) T :spade: 6 :heart: 9 :club: (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.60, MP folds, SB calls $0.60

Turn: ($2.70) A :club: (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.70, SB raises to $3.80, Hero raises to $9.18, SB folds

Can´t wait to hear more!


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RaiseDaAce
Joined: 18.07.2009
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Originally posted by nitrol
How much does he open from SB.
I am not sure that villain who folds that much will have A6, A9 here...

RFI from SB would be a good starting point, combined with 4b/prf which should be meaningful after 2,6k Hands...Hell, you should have a very good idea about villain already after having played so much with him...no notes?

Originally posted by shecky
Our opponent is a reg with FT3bet 70 after 2,6k hands and 75% from the SB. Since he is folding so much , he can take this line with А6,А9,66,99. Also he is raising cbets 38% (3 of 8 situations) . Is it OK fold OTF, I', confused

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $10.14 (101.4 bb)
Hero (BB): $10.82 (108.2 bb)
MP: $10 (100 bb)
CO: $18.88 (188.8 bb)
BTN: $13.36 (133.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K♠: K♥:
3 folds, SB raises to $0.40, Hero raises to $1.10, SB calls $0.70

Flop: ($2.20) A♥: 6♥: 9♠: (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.15, SB raises to $2.70, Hero folds

Results:

Spoiler

$4.50 pot ($0.20 rake)
Final Board: A♥: 6♥: 9♠:
SB mucked and won $4.30 ($2.05 net)
Hero mucked K♠: K♥: and lost (-$2.25 net)

he did not only raise your cb, he ch/r flop->stats...

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by nitrol
I am not that optimistic about the call:
MP2 20.21% 20.21% 0.00% KhKs
MP3 79.79% 79.79% 0.00% 99, 66, AQs-ATs, QhJh, QhTh, JhTh, Th9h, 9h8h, 8h7h, AQo-AJo

Thats a reasonable range. And maybe w less Ax check raising us, as la55i said.
Still, we are getting here 20,39% equity needed to call based on odds. That said, calling is not that bad.
If we just remove ATs and AJ we have 23,36% already.

way too tight imo, this is bvb...


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