Skip to forum
Notifications
Clear all

KK action

12 Posts
5 Users
0 Reactions
1,140 Views
aleasy77
Joined: 03.03.2014

Vs unknown player, play another way on preflop/flop/turn?

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.01/$0.02 - 5 players
Replay this hand on Pokeit - https://pokeit.co/public/5259CA3oK/r

UTG: $1.92 (96 bb)
CO: $1.99 (100 bb)
BU: $2.60 (130 bb)
SB: $2.00 (100 bb)
BB (Hero): $3.30 (165 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BB with K♥ K♣
2 players fold, BTN raises to $0.06, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets to $0.22, BTN 4-bets to $0.48, Hero calls $0.26

Flop: ($0.97) 7♣ 7♥ 4♠ (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.40, Hero calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.77) 8♥ (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $1.72 (all-in), Hero calls $1.72

River: ($5.21) 7♠ (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $5.21 (Rake: $0.18)

Showdown:
BU shows A♦ A♠ (a full house, Sevens full of Aces)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 81%, Flop: 92%, Turn: 95%, River: 100%)

BB (Hero) shows K♥ K♣ (a full house, Sevens full of Kings)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 19%, Flop: 8%, Turn: 5%, River: 0%)

BU wins $5.03


Reply
Quote
11 replies

Why do you call his 4bet? Get it in. As played cant see myself folding postflop. Dont understand what's the point to post this type hands...Except that you flat his 4bet seems pretty standard


Reply
Quote
aleasy77 Topic starter
aleasy77
Joined: 03.03.2014

He has more than 100bb postflop and this sizing he can 4bet aces and worse hands so when I push here he fold bluffs and only call aces when I go all in for his 130bb.


Reply
Quote

You are against unknown player. You dont know what his 4bet range look like. You dont know his postflop tendencies. Shove pre seems like the only option for me


Reply
Quote
aleasy77 Topic starter
aleasy77
Joined: 03.03.2014

And what You think call here push all in preflop with 130bb, QQ or AK can call too?


Reply
Quote

And what You think call here push all in preflop with 130bb

impossibe to answer this question. We are against unknown player.

QQ-AK will call very often if not everytime, maybe TT-JJ. Big portion of Nl2 players cant make laydowns.


Reply
Quote
aleasy77 Topic starter
aleasy77
Joined: 03.03.2014

I ask because on nl2 many players too scary 3bet AK/QQ preflop and no many times I see 4bets preflop, maybe play standard all in preflop but postflop on this board nitty was be fold on low cards pocket kings.


Reply
Quote

No fold postflop. If you are folding KK on this board then what you are calling with? If you plan to fold postflop then you are set mining witch means that you should fold preflop because you dont have the odds. Even against KK+ stack off range you have 50% equity. You should stack off.

When you flat call you give your opponent chance to catch. To make things worse, you will see an ace on the flop from time to time. Okay let's assume he is on bluff. It's still not enough to justify flat call here. Why? Because we dont know his postflop tendencies. They matter a lot

He might slowdown if he miss and bet only if he beats you. To justify a flat call here our opponent should be aggressive enough to make 2 or 3 barrels with his entire range so we bluffcatch him profitably.


Reply
Quote

Dont lose confidence in your game because of cooler hands. Try looking at the game objectively. Against unknown player you have clear stack off here. Today your kings ran into aces tommorow is the opposite.


Reply
Quote
Gomez224
Joined: 24.03.2008

KK vs AA is the type of situation where you are break even. switch the situation and you will stack him off when you get AA.


Reply
Quote
Moderator
SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Against a unknown It's really tough to not get broke pre-flop with KK at a 5 handed table on NL2.
Only with specific reads I would consider to fold on 1 point and even than it's really hard to do.

Cheers,
SDK1987


Reply
Quote
Paraibuda
Joined: 24.08.2022

I would've jammed pre. Some QQ and AKs might call, and maybe even (we don't know villain) jacks.
If villain has aces, no big deal.
Most times when the board comes, you won't be able to get out of that situation anyway. If King comes, great. If Ace comes - unless you're supposing no one 4bets (2x, btw) at these stakes with less than KK - villain has nut and range advantage anyway so he will cbet like 100% and you're gonna be in a tough spot an indecent amount of times.

Maybe what makes this play wrong is: suppose the guy is 4betting JJ+ and AK. We call. If there are any aces OTF we effectively fold and save 3/4 of your stack. This specific circunstance happens less than the one where the board comes any jack or queen (without your king or aces) and you - certainly - lose your whole stack to those sets.

But, as played, I'd have 3betted a little larger, 4-4,5x.
OTF, if there are no aces, I don't see a reason for playing it check-calling.
I'd either: check-jam or donk 1/3pot (most likely interpreted as a sign of weakness, villain likely reraises, commits with his AK, QQ, JJ and I 3bet shove).

Alright.


Reply
Quote
Share: