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KQs second nut flush

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ToddBrunson
Joined: 23.05.2010

Hi!

Villain 500 hand, played 36/13 wtsd 31 wonsd 52. Small bet the flop i guess flush draw but lof of smaller flush possible villain hand. What do you think only 36BB always enough this hand to call?

Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

SB: $9.86 (197.2 bb)
Hero (BB): $5.54 (110.8 bb)
UTG+2: $7.24 (144.8 bb)
MP1: $1.82 (36.4 bb)
MP2: $5.10 (102 bb)
MP3: $5 (100 bb)
CO: $6.03 (120.6 bb)
BTN: $5.17 (103.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q♥ K♥
UTG+2 folds, MP1 raises to $0.10, MP2 folds, MP3 calls $0.10, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.32) 9♥ 2♦ 4♥ (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $0.10, MP3 calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.10

Turn: ($0.62) 3♥ (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $0.15, MP3 folds, Hero raises to $1.04, MP1 calls $0.89

River: ($2.70) 9♦ (2 players)
Hero bets $1.30, MP1 calls $0.58

Spoiler

Results: $3.86 pot ($0.16 rake)
Final Board: 9♥ 2♦ 4♥ 3♥ 9♦
Hero showed Q♥ K♥ and lost (-$1.82 net)
MP1 showed A♥ 2♥ and won $3.70 ($1.88 net)


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Pokamon
Joined: 15.04.2006

seriously, stop posting coolers. when you have the second nuts and lose, it is fine. you have to. poker works that way. next time you will have the nuts and someone else will pay you off.

no money has changed hands. read about reciprocality. tommy angelo, elements of poker.

or here:

http://www.tommyangelo.com/reciprocality/


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zetozinho
Joined: 18.06.2017

The raise OTT is not right. 7x? what do you want him to call with? the nutflush?
The rest is standard.


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Pokamon
Joined: 15.04.2006

Originally posted by zetozinho
The raise OTT is not right. 7x?

villain is downsizing, so the raise is barely pot.

Originally posted by zetozinho
what do you want him to call with? the nutflush?

show me a recreational who is folding a flush here. i would expect to get called here by sets, 2 pair and even AhXo.


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GridironAssassin
Joined: 19.12.2014

Turn raise too big but other than that this is standard. If original raiser is a few more blinds deep, I am squeezing this all day. It is likely even a squeeze at this stack depth.


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zetozinho
Joined: 18.06.2017

Originally posted by Pokamon

Originally posted by zetozinho
The raise OTT is not right. 7x?

villain is downsizing, so the raise is barely pot.

Originally posted by zetozinho
what do you want him to call with? the nutflush?

show me a recreational who is folding a flush here. i would expect to get called here by sets, 2 pair and even AhXo.

Maybe a set is calling. But why so big? He'll fold way more than call. It just doesn't make any sense, unless you know he's a complete station and even those can see this is a massive raise. He still has a 1.47$ stack after his bet OTT. Raise smaller and make him ship OTR, that's the best play.
Anyway, this hand has nothing especial, it's just a cooler. I really don't know what is the doubt here.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Indeed something wrong with the turn sizing. Just ship it :f_biggrin:

Villain is recreational. If he is going to call some kind of a raise he probably is going to call a shove too. Now we are leaving less than 12bb left OTR. Imo he is going to call with smaller flushes, maybe some flush draws even, sets, could be 2pair, AA, straights.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

What do you think about squeezing preflop?
I agree that if you are to raise on turn then you should just ship it in.
If you are vs a more thinking player, I would not be ok with raising turn as Jx or less flushes may not call the raise...
But maybe I am too rocky.


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ToddBrunson
Joined: 23.05.2010

KQs i do not think better squeezing. Villain plays 36/13 i guess he never fold pre flop and i had just KQs. And flop does not come K or Q i most of time give up my hand. KQo better squeez or fold, but KQs enough to call.
Turn why raise? He call almost every trash, sometimes top pair, two pair i really sure, set, and lower flush. Big raise because i want to paid me if he had these hands.
Villain set only 36BB, i thinked he never fold any flush or set here. But most of the time two pairs and A9, K9 always call.


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