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VzLOM
Joined: 23.12.2007
Oldschool Grinder

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
SB ($122)
BB ($83.95)
CO ($84.30)
Hero ($50)

BB antes $0.10
CO antes $0.10
Hero antes $0.10
SB antes $0.10

Dealt to Hero A♥ J♠

CO raises to $1.40, Hero calls $1.50, SB calls $1.25, fold

FLOP ($5.30) K♣ 8♣ T♠

SB bets $3.50, CO calls $3.50, Hero calls $3.50

TURN ($15.80) K♣ 8♣ T♠ 9♦

SB checks, CO bets $9, Hero ??

do we have odds and implieds? sb 40\28\1.8\50hands CO 24\17\20hands (though i dont think stats means too much here)
btw: we have some reverse implieds (vs JQ and fd)


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I wouldnt call F, why are u doing this? its 3way and they are showing some strength, well yea , ur hand will be well disguised but would they stakc off without set there?
As played:Fold, its nto even rainbow and its 3way and any of them could have a set or FD so ur otus are supersmall and ur str8 ownt be even disguised


VzLOM Topic starter
VzLOM
Joined: 23.12.2007
Oldschool Grinder

on flop we have 3,5:1 . We are ip and have gutshot, overcard and bd. (furthermore we could actually even have better hand here vs fd, 67 and so on, that is not so likely but still a bonus)
Agreed about turn


Originally posted by VzLOM
on flop we have 3,5:1 . We are ip and have gutshot, overcard and bd. (furthermore we could actually even have better hand here vs fd, 67 and so on, that is not so likely but still a bonus)
Agreed about turn

I domt nidn that much Flop call but u are wrong, ur outs arent clean so u shouldnt count all of em


VzLOM Topic starter
VzLOM
Joined: 23.12.2007
Oldschool Grinder

ok lets do the math.
On call we have 3,5 : 1 thats equal to 22%
Even vs strongest range without bluffs and weak hands we have 16%. Furthermore we have ~3 clean outs on 1st nuts that have pretty good implieds vs bad players.

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Борд: Kc Ts 8c
Dead:

Эквити Выиграно Дележ Проиграно Рука
Игрок 1: 16,292% 14,109% 4,444% 81,448% AhJs
Игрок 2: 39,558% 37,727% 3,738% 58,535% 88-JJ, AKs, KTs+, QTs+, AKo, AJo, KJo+, QJo
Игрок 3: 44,150% 43,409% 1,560% 55,032% 88-QQ,AcQc, AcJc, AcTc, Ac9c, Ac7c, Ac6c, Ac5c, Ac4c, Ac3c, Ac2c, Kc9c, QcTc, Qc9c, JcTc, Jc9c, Tc9c

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Azbuka FTW

y, but htere are also reversed implied on ur other outs so yea, IMO u should count jsut those 3 outs or max 4 clean outs and for that u need 16percent whcih is fine then
As I already said, I domt mind Flop call but u have to know ur clean outs, so u wotn stack off on T:A or smth


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VzLOM
Joined: 23.12.2007
Oldschool Grinder

As I already said, I domt mind Flop call but u have to know ur clean outs, so u wotn stack off on T:A or smth

thats true, thats why i would never make that call oop

Azbuka FTW

know some russian words? )


Originally posted by VzLOM

As I already said, I domt mind Flop call but u have to know ur clean outs, so u wotn stack off on T:A or smth

thats true, thats why i would never make that call oop

Yes, thats fine then, u played it well

Originally posted by VzLOM

Azbuka FTW

know some russian words? )

I do, but I dont know Azbuka


I think your overcard is not good and if you hit your oeas he can easily c/f river his AK or smt
So to call turn you also have to bluff on club rivers and maybe some other scare cards, so call is is not terrible, just I don´t expect you get paid too often if you hit your hand and since you´re not drawing to nuts you can be dead against QJ, so even if you hit your hand you can´t really raise river for value


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