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Raise for value OTT?

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Hesticus
Joined: 24.06.2008

Hi guys,

Would you have raised this one for value OTT?

Poker Stars $2.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 2860238
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SB: $2.10 - VPIP: 48, PFR: 13, 3B: 13, AF: 5.3, Hands: 54
BB: $1.91
UTG: $2.00
Hero (CO): $2.24
BTN: $2.16

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is CO with 8 :club: 8 :spade:
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.05, BTN calls $0.05, SB calls $0.04, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.17) 5 :club: 6 :heart: 2 :heart: (3 players)
SB bets $0.12, Hero calls $0.12, BTN calls $0.12

Turn: ($0.53) 7 :diamond: (3 players)
SB bets $0.12, Hero raises to $0.41, BTN folds, SB raises to $0.70, Hero calls $0.29

River: ($1.93) 7 :club: (2 players)
SB bets $1.23, Hero???


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

No, you can't raise turn for value here. What worse could possibly call? Reminder: He donked into two players. You shouldn't even be raising heads up.


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Malendes
Joined: 03.04.2011

I would call flop and turn, fold river


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

No, I would have not raised this OTT. River shouldn't be a question mark.. It is a clear fold.


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nathanrenard
Joined: 10.02.2009

Originally posted by Malendes
I would call flop and turn, fold river

+1


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

At the risk of overworking things here: If you are horribly afraid of being bluffed out, then, as played, you can think about calling holding AA. It doesn't make much of a difference, but now you have the nut two pair. The important thing is that you do bluff catch some, but you don't do it with all of 88/99/TT/JJ/QQ/KK, which would turn you into a pay-off station.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

No, we cannot raise turn. Just call and evaluate river.
As played, just fold.


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Hesticus
Joined: 24.06.2008

Okay, thanks guys! :f_thumbsup: I will take a note of this one.


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swampyking
Joined: 05.10.2008

How about raising the flop, would that be an option?


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

What are you going to achieve?


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Originally posted by swampyking
How about raising the flop, would that be an option?

Why raise? Villain will fold his air and continue with some draws, overpairs and sets. I doubt villain donks shit here. If and when he calls your raise you are fckd.


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swampyking
Joined: 05.10.2008

Well, i'm just thinking what if villan is donkbetting with draws or A6, K6 or something, we should charge him?


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

What if he is donking with 56,7h8h,99,TT,JJ,22,55,66. And when we raise there is still BTN to act. I doubt that villain will call your raise with A6 or K6 so by raising only hands that beat you will call. You will get some folds of course because villain might be donking those hands but in the long run raising here would be very expensive.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Originally posted by swampyking
Well, i'm just thinking what if villan is donkbetting with draws or A6, K6 or something, we should charge him?

Well our hand is not that good to raise for value. it is not ok to throw away that equity and turn it into a bluff.


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swampyking
Joined: 05.10.2008

Aha, ok. Thanks for the answers.
I´m still struggling with understanding when to call or raise in these spots.
But if the flop was checked to us we would bet for value?


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Yes, we can bet if checked to us.


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Hesticus
Joined: 24.06.2008
nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Originally posted by swampyking
Aha, ok. Thanks for the answers.
I´m still struggling with understanding when to call or raise in these spots.
But if the flop was checked to us we would bet for value?

Generally, if you have 50%+ equity vs villain's range - you bet. If you have less - you check/call...


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