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Semi shortstack trouble.

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pdfbq
Joined: 23.05.2008

Please....... PLEASE!!!! It is not so much about this exact hand.

There are two types of players I have not been able yet to develop a good strategy against.
(There is a third type of player I'm having troubles with but that is not relevant here :f_biggrin:).

  • Type A: Sits down at table with 40bb (min buy in) and immediately is aggressive but in a 'smart' way, so in position floats one or two and then bets big(ish)). They will also leave quickly when they start loosing.
  • Type B: Different type. Has a VPIP of ~70 and a PFR of ~0 but is definitely NOT a fish. What this type is doing is disguising its hands.

This post is about Type A (I will make differt post about type B).

Now I recognized the button as a type A player from the way he played his previous hands.
Below my hand an my thoughts. What are your thoughts in this?

PokerStars - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 164 BB (VPIP: 10.71, PFR: 10.71, 3Bet Preflop: 4.76, Hands: 57)
BB: 174 BB (VPIP: 33.73, PFR: 27.71, 3Bet Preflop: 8.00, Hands: 86)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 19.23, PFR: 19.23, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 27)
Hero (MP): 135.5 BB
CO: 100 BB
BTN: 57 BB (VPIP: 57.14, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB, CO posts penalty blind 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.5 BB) Hero has T♥ 9♥

fold, Hero raises to 4.5 BB, fold, BTN calls 4.5 BB, fold, fold
Now I am never ever folding my T9s here with the unknow CO.
Because of the short stack though, do you guys fold here because of him?

Flop: (11.5 BB, 2 players) A♦ 3♠ T♠
Hero bets 7 BB, BTN calls 7 BB
I wanted to jam.. I wanted to jam soooo badly but I did not.
I think it's not good to jam because he'll never ever fold when he's ahead I beleave (and he's 30% ahead).

Turn: (25.5 BB, 2 players) J♦
Hero checks, BTN bets 7 BB, Hero calls 7 BB
It's a piss bet. I wanted to check raise all in soooo badly but I did not because I am a coward.
Also did not want to fold for that price.
Question: anybody out there that would have jammed here or folded here?

River: (39.5 BB, 2 players) Q♣
Hero checks, BTN bets 18 BB, fold
Well.. nothing to do here anymore.. should have jammed the turn probably.
BTN wins 38 BB

Now the play pattern of these qirls/guys is screaming bluff. I think two things are possible against players like this:
a) Tighten up (fold almost all OOP)
b) Loosen up (so jam turns)

How would you girls/guys adapt out there?

Any thought would be highly appreciated!

In hindsight, after reading my post: Jam the turn.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Pre-flop you are raising big. I would normal raise 3x with my entire range pre-flop, but with a penalty blind of the CO in it’s not to bad. Also with most likely a fish on the BTN I wouldn’t play this hand at all. It’s tough to let him fold a better hand post-flop and playing out of position against a fish isn’t great ether. I prefer to play against this type of players in position.

The flop seems like a standard Cbet. I don’t think shoving is great, because then you get only action of flush draws and top pair or better. The rest of the hand I would play the same on his small beet on turn.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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pdfbq
Joined: 23.05.2008

Tnx SDK. So you wold fold preflop.
The point is though I do not think it is a fish. I recognize a type of play(er).

I agree with you about not shoving the flop.
Check shoving turn might be the right play ( because I don not put him in the fish corner, I did put him in the float bluff corner ).
But I am not sure about this all, that's why I posted this question.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Interesting post!

You have realized that SSS can be tough to compete with. These guys do have a built in edge in a couple of ways. So you should respect their presence when they aren't fish.

Yes, it is a thought (a good one) to tighten up with your speculative hands. They need implied odds. (You open too big, but that's another issue.)

Flop: Your own conclusion is the right one.

Turn: When he calls flop (sometimes even preflop), he is committed. Since you say he isn't a fish, you are probably beaten. I'd check and fold without regrets. Jamming is better than calling (because a call commits you anyway).


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