SH AA, Facing Flop Raise as a Preflop Squeezer

It is a sqz pot, we hold As. FDs are not super likely and if villain had FD he should play this one passively. Board is paired, he is not drawing to the nuts but he gets ok odds to call and board is paired. If he bluffs it only better hands will call most likely.

I thought of middle pair.

Originally posted by Alleen86

Originally posted by nitrol

Its nice to see that villains are calling your squeeze with 44. Bad call by him pre.

Well, one can argue that he has implied odds to do so and he closes the action preflop.

Actually, CO called my squeeze with 44 and he is not closing the action, so I think his call is not good. Probably he thought that BTN may join, but there is no guarantee that he will + he might decide to 4bet.

This is what I meant by the bad call. Also if hero squeezes polarized he will not have that good implied odds.

To the BTN;s range;

I think that he will Show up with 99-JJ that he raise folded. He could have KQss but I think that he would not fold that. So most likely 99-JJ

Why would he raise with 99-JJ and did you forget those 8x hands?

Originally posted by la55i
Why would he raise with 99-JJ and did you forget those 8x hands?

No I did not forget. He will not raise and fold with 8x. I think that he can raise with 99-JJ because almost half of the deck is bad for him on the turn(CO;s range will have a ton of spade Broadways(KQ,AQ,KJ,JQ:spade::spade: ) so almost any high card or spade on turn and he will have to x/fold) + he can make better hands fold + get some value from FD;s. He might also think that he has the best hand.

I just can't think of any other hand that he will raise/fold.

Ah, now I see. You tried to figure out what hands BTN had after he folded.

This is irrelevant. We have to put villain on a range before hero has to act. The fact BTN raised and then folded is irrelevant. In this situation he might have had JJ-99 but in his whole raising range he has 8x too.

So BTN's range after the fold doesn't matter and the fact that he folded this time doesn't affect his range before we knew he folded.

Originally posted by marsa08

Originally posted by Alleen86

Originally posted by nitrol

Its nice to see that villains are calling your squeeze with 44. Bad call by him pre.

Well, one can argue that he has implied odds to do so and he closes the action preflop.

Actually, CO called my squeeze with 44 and he is not closing the action, so I think his call is not good. Probably he thought that BTN may join, but there is no guarantee that he will + he might decide to 4bet.

This is what I meant by the bad call. Also if hero squeezes polarized he will not have that good implied odds.

To the BTN;s range;

I think that he will Show up with 99-JJ that he raise folded. He could have KQss but I think that he would not fold that. So most likely 99-JJ

To the BTN;s range;

I think that he will Show up with 99-JJ that he raise folded. He could have KQss but I think that he would not fold that. So most likely 99-JJ

Actually I agree here.

Originally posted by la55i
Why would he raise with 99-JJ and did you forget those 8x hands?

It has to be middle stregth hand that is scared from the board.

Originally posted by la55i
Ah, now I see. You tried to figure out what hands BTN had after he folded.
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Originally posted by nitrol
I wonder with what BU raise/folded...

La55i I was referring to this.

Originally posted by marsa08

Originally posted by la55i
Ah, now I see. You tried to figure out what hands BTN had after he folded.
.

Originally posted by nitrol
I wonder with what BU raise/folded...

Yes, I figured that out later. My bad.
La55i I was referring to this.

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by la55i
Why would he raise with 99-JJ and did you forget those 8x hands?

It has to be middle stregth hand that is scared from the board.

I didn't understand at first that we are discussing about BTN's range after the fold because I think it is irrelevant.

I was just wondering with what he raises mw and folded and came up with the above.

Yup, I understand now what you were thinking

Well, ok then.

Just to confirm the outcome:

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Hero (SB): $14.23 (142.3 bb)
BB: $10.83 (108.3 bb)
MP: $5 (50 bb)
CO: $11.87 (118.7 bb)
BTN: $10.37 (103.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A A
MP folds, CO raises to $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, Hero raises to $1.20, BB folds, CO calls $0.90, BTN calls $0.90

Flop: ($3.70) 8 4 8 (3 players)
Hero bets $1.55, CO calls $1.55, BTN raises to $3.70, Hero raises to $13.03 and is all-in, CO calls $9.12 and is all-in, BTN folds

Turn: ($28.74) 9 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: ($28.74) Q (2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results:

44 was a bit wide call pre for villain but maybe it is not terrible.

44 is as wide as 8x. But it is possible here and we have to save money in this spot.

I would take a note on CO that he calls this wide vs squeeze (and perhaps vs 3bets too)

What do you think about starting to 3bet him depolarized(not sure if that is correct term) with something like AJ+ KQ+ and TT+?

You can go even wider- top 7% - 88+, ATs+, KJs+, AJo+

I don't know if we can assume that he calls very wide. He might call all pocket pairs but otherwise his range might be normal.