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AA96ss vs fish, turning nfblocker

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Tim64
Joined: 03.11.2008

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $23.72 (94.9 bb)
BB: $36.42 (145.7 bb)
Hero (UTG): $84.44 (337.8 bb)
MP: $113.27 (453.1 bb)
CO: $14.33 (57.3 bb)
BTN: $40.62 (162.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A♠: A♦: 9♠: 6♣:
Hero raises to $0.85, 2 folds, BTN raises to $1.45, 2 folds, Hero raises to $4.70, BTN calls $3.25

Flop: ($9.75) 6♦: 4♦: 8♠: (2 players)
Hero bets $6.16, BTN calls $6.16

Turn: ($22.07) J♦: (2 players)
Hero bets $10.57, BTN calls $10.57

River: ($43.21) Q♥: (2 players)
Hero bets $41.37, BTN calls $19.19

Results:

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$81.59 pot ($2 rake)
Final Board: 6♦: 4♦: 8♠: J♦: Q♥:
Hero showed A♠: A♦: 9♠: 6♣: and won $0.00 (-$40.62 net)
BTN showed 4♠: A♥: 7♠: 4♥: and won $79.59 ($38.97 net)

Villain is unknown fish (based on 3b sizing).
1. Should we avoid such bluffs vs recs?
2. Let's say villain is a competent reg, does it become reasonable?
3. Let's say I actually have A♠:A♦:9♦:6♣: and turn nf, is my betsing on F,T+R good?

Thx


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

With Add, those sizings are good. Once called on the turn you shouldn't have too much FE on the river. The only hands that will even think about folding on the river are sets or some weak hands that just couldn't fold on the turn. But still a lot of players just think that "he might have blocker or bluff" and make the call. 20 to call on the river to pot of 80, that is quite tempting if they didn't believe you have the flush on the turn.

Overall people are not folding any flushes in 3bet+ pots so bet on the river is aimed to make him fold sets/2pairs/straights.


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Padelbro
Joined: 21.01.2010

1. Yes. There are fish that is capable of folding, but then there are total stations that wont fold bad 2prs here, because 2prs is good in hold em or something. Until more info, I wouldn't do big blocker bluffs against fish.

2. Blockerbluffng and big bluffs in general, yes. In a 4bet pot flush is quite strong hand non paired board though, so IDK about this spot. I'd rather have very tight regular who can make big folds against us then.

3. If you had nuts your betsizings would be quite good. If he has 2prs draw to FH he doesnt get odds, and there is so little behind otr he might end up calling the rest because of that with a straight, or set. Here that becomes a problem, and you're against a supposedly strong range, so shoving is questionable.

If you want to blockerbluff anyway, I would bet smaller ott to get bigger river bullet. And if against a good player, this should be done also with nuts.


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nsavov
Joined: 24.09.2010

Can you guys comment about the CBet?
It seems like a good spot to bet and barrel flush cards buuuut... The flop doesnt bring that many draws that just call.
I wouldnt cbet both with and without FDs


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benaars
Joined: 03.06.2010

I agree that we shouldn't always be cbeting this board with such high of an SPR even if we have the nutflushdraw just because our AAxx heavy range does really poor on such board.
As played on the turn we need to have some bluffs and nutflush blocker is the best candidate, so I'd bet as well, sizing seems fine as it seems we are planning for the river jam. As for the river we dont really want to be blindly jamming any Ax blocker on the rivers because on the river we would want our valuebet/bluff ratio to be 2:1 with more value-bets than bluffs - so you must be dropping some Ax blockers there. The best candidates to drop are combos that has a pair from the board because when we are holding a pair from the board it decreases heavily the chance that opponent is holding a set which is the most likely holding which is ever folding to the river bet.


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benaars
Joined: 03.06.2010

Just saw the spoiler, I think you wanna mark such players and never bluff vs. this guy. There are fishes however against which this line would work, so not ever bluffing a recreational player is not necessary, just mark the players that are "non-believers". There are some regs that fit into that profile as well.


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

This is where two worlds collide.

We don't HAVE to have bluffs on the turn. But if we want to be less exploitable, and have some balance in our turn betting range, we need to have some bluffs too.

We can approach poker (especially at micros) in two ways: exploiting or balanced. We don't have to have it set on stone, we can change it according to our opponent. If we try to be balanced against 100/0/0 Calling Station, we just miss value. On the other hand if our turn ranges are really unbalanced, then competitive regs will exploit us a lot.

At micros versus some opponents adding bluffs to turn or river range is highly -EV decision. Like the opponent in this hand, I would assume that he will call river with 100% of his range. Adjustment to that is 0% bluffs, only value bets.


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