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I bluff raised..... he shoved :(

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BunBun00
Joined: 13.09.2023

PLO rush & cash
200bb

CO opens, SB 3bets :A♠:J♠:J♥:6♥:
8♣:7♥:9♦:T♣:, rabbit hole river was Q♠:
Flop checking range, turn x, CO pots, SB raises 66%, the rest is history :f_mad:
Anyway villains has pot folds, he's aggressive and value bets thin. I would not expect him to check back straight on flop , any set or top two. Anyway I got 3 blockers, ideally perhaps I would want to have a :Kx: for NGD. Did I just run into huge combo draw like low straight +2PR+FD? I feel like this was a reasonable play given my hand and COs tendencies. If I'm not bluffing with this hand vs a flop check back range then I'm never bluffing.


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Well I did check this in trainer with 100bb stacks and 876r and turn T that opens fd. Solver did go for pot raise with hand like AK99 even without fd or fd blocker. Then folded to shove with remaining 15 or so bb. So perhaps you played this fine. In general though I would avoid pure blocker plays on these spots especially for x-r lines as those get really expensive quickly. So would want to have at least that gs.

I would probably just bet turn 3/4 with plan to pot blank river as JJ is obviously still strong blockers.


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Also be happy that villain shoved. Might sound weird but I doubt villain should have almost any 3bets on turn especially being in position. Reason being our x-r is basically nuts or blocker bluff. So in villain shoes I would just call and keep this kind of hand in your range most of time. Your plan was to probably barrel river on blank good amount of time?

Now maybe he has once in blue moon hand like AQQ/AJJ with nfd but most likely it's nut straight with or without redraw. If villain thinks this x-r is always nuts from us then he can shove with nuts and decent redraw in attempt to freeroll dry nuts. On other hand by just calling he might also have chance to bluff split hand off from pot on nut changing river.

But yeah you also want to ask how much of your nut straights you want to lead or x-r especially with these deeper stacks. You want some of those in your x-c range as well.


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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010

Reason being our x-r is basically nuts or blocker bluff. So in villain shoes I would just call and keep this kind of hand in your range most of time.

+1

In highly polarized matchups we have to withstand the "urge to protect" our hand^^.

OOP it is very easy for hero to continue after check-raise turn from my perspective. You barrel aggressively until the money is in or until you face counter-aggression (which you fold against).


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

I did check also 100bb deep on 987r and turn rainbow T and there trainer would basically bet all AJJ6 combos (1/2 pot) and pot blank river.

Half pot turn is kind of interesting sizing but it will mix sets (half of TT) and 2nd nut straights (1/3 of them) into betting range. Need coverage on pairing rivers I suppose.


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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010

Originally posted by ghaleon
I did check also 100bb deep on 987r and turn rainbow T and there trainer would basically bet all AJJ6 combos (1/2 pot) and pot blank river.

Half pot turn is kind of interesting sizing but it will mix sets (half of TT) and 2nd nut straights (1/3 of them) into betting range. Need coverage on pairing rivers I suppose.

I am betting 75%pot while keeping solvers' value range (mix of sets and occasionally second nut straights). I rather take the increased FE and leverage. And I need that FE cause I exploitatively bluff way more than solver since overly high fold to turn probes (or delay cbet in this instance) is the most common postflop leak. People would have to stop me calling hands worse than sets and most don't do such thing. This only works oop though


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BunBun00
Joined: 13.09.2023

Originally posted by Mascherano95

Reason being our x-r is basically nuts or blocker bluff. So in villain shoes I would just call and keep this kind of hand in your range most of time.

+1

In highly polarized matchups we have to withstand the "urge to protect" our hand^^.

OOP it is very easy for hero to continue after check-raise turn from my perspective. You barrel aggressively until the money is in or until you face counter-aggression (which you fold against).

Yeah, he did save me around 50bb by shoving, I should be grateful. I was in blast off mode:sfishy:


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