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[Closed] $1 ring: bubble AQs call vs BS shove

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mktpppr
Joined: 18.07.2010
Oldschool Grinder

hi,
easy call, right? any feedback about BU's shoving range would be appreciated, thx
BU 188 hands 23/14
BB 166 hands 16/13

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, 1.2 Tournament, 250/500 Blinds (4 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB (t1885)
UTG (t4314)
Button (t5520)
Hero (SB) (t1781)

Hero's M: 2.37

Preflop: Hero is SB with A, Q
1 fold, Button bets t5520 (All-In), Hero calls t1531 (All-In), 1 fold

Flop: (t4062) 8, J, 4 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: (t4062) 4 (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t4062) 6 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: t4062


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Hlynkinn
Joined: 14.06.2008
Oldschool Grinder

it's a call if he's shoving more than >21%.. And I think most players will shove that wide and probably wider.. good players would shove ATC here.. So yea fine call...

Not really sure what you want me to tell you about his shove range :P


mktpppr Topic starter
mktpppr
Joined: 18.07.2010
Oldschool Grinder

hi hlynkinn, im new to stats and SNG Wiz, how did you calculate 21%? what software did you use?

i get 41% not 21% for BU shove in SNG Wiz to make it a call for hero, with BB calling 7%, am i missing something?

thx for a reply


Hlynkinn
Joined: 14.06.2008
Oldschool Grinder

The fact is when we reduce a 41% range to 21% range for an unknown we are pretty much only taking the hands away from his range that have nice equity against us like 67s but we keep hands like A5o..
The problem with sng wiz is that it gives you a fixed range for opponents.. you can't select your own ranges.. so a range I would consider 21% for an unknown will be different from the 21% range given by sng wiz..

but yea seems like I did some errors in my first calculations.. we need to give the opponent a range:
23.4%, 22+ Ax+ KTs+ KJo+ QJs
or wider for us to make a profitable call with AQs..

I think unknowns are just more keen on shoving A2o than K9s although K9s would be a slightly better push here

Currently this is what I'm using: http://www.holdemresources.net/hr/beta/calculator.html

using this with sng wiz and icm explorer is probably the most effective way.. all have their pros and cons..

btw your doing your sng wiz calculations without an edge? you should have the edge at 0.0

and the % bb calls when you fold also affects our decision.. so you might want to change the calling range for BB.. I gave him a ~20% range.. few % there aren't gonna change much tho.. and I think 20% makes sense for an unknown there


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mktpppr
Joined: 18.07.2010
Oldschool Grinder

ok, now i understand that sng wiz cannot do user-defined ranges

thx for the link and i downloaded icm explorer too

yes i have edge at default zero in sng wiz

yes, BB calling ~20% is more correct

cheers


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