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The beauty of donk shoving

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PotBox
Joined: 12.01.2016
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I ran into this hilarious spot today that I thought some people might find entertaining :f_biggrin:

I have been experimenting with calling in the big blind where your stack to pot ratio post flop will be close to 1:1. This especially works well against players who open min raise off a stack of 10 big blinds or less. They become extremely exploitable to stop and go donk shoving or check shoving their cbet.

This play can't be done against all types of players, but if they are min raising off a short stack quite often it becomes a great way to get yourself back into the tournament. This hand in the spoiler below is not a very good example as you are almost always getting called here with such a short stack. I just thought it was hilarious how big of a mistake these players made and I figured I'd share it.

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888 Poker - $4.50+$0.50|100/200 Ante 20 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 4.15 BB (VPIP: 17.13, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 7.56, Hands: 763)
Hero (BB): 3.53 BB
UTG: 13.26 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 5.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 21)
UTG+1: 8 BB (VPIP: 20.09, PFR: 14.89, 3Bet Preflop: 4.13, Hands: 1,542)
MP: 9.29 BB (VPIP: 19.05, PFR: 9.52, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 21)
MP+1: 12.72 BB (VPIP: 30.84, PFR: 17.65, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 109)
CO: 5.48 BB (VPIP: 10.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 21)
BTN: 11.09 BB (VPIP: 42.86, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 21)

8 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.3 BB) Hero has T♦ 3♣

fold, fold, fold, MP+1 raises to 2 BB, fold, BTN calls 2 BB, fold, Hero calls 1 BB

Flop: (7.3 BB, 3 players) A♠ 4♣ A♦
Hero bets 1.43 BB and is all-in, fold, fold

Hero wins 7.3 BB

You could possibly argue folding this preflop and going with the next hand in the small blind which will almost always be better than T3o. After there was a min raise and a call I thought there was too much in the pot already to fold and decided to just go with it. Instead of raising all in PF I decided to call and then shove on any flop being the first to act. This induced a hilarious fold fold to my 1.4BB into a 7BB pot. I broke out in laughter and navigated my 8 big blind stack to victory!

I'd like to know how much others use this type of stop and go strategy in tournaments and SnGs. I find that it works well with hands like J8o that you don't really want to reshove but it has a good chance of flopping middle/top pair.


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slippyjim
Joined: 07.10.2011
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Some terrible folds there haha
I've never had much joy with stop n go's as I always seem to run into a monster, but it is something I should be looking at doing more often I think.
The check/shove flop is a great move against people who like to cbet any flop, I love it when they dont call instantly and you see their time slowly going down and you know they are going to fold


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008
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That’s a funky hand that I would normal fold pre-flop, but it works well for you this time :f_thumbsup:

Cheers,
SDK1987


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PotBox
Joined: 12.01.2016
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Yes, obviously I got very lucky to get folds here :f_ugly:

Normally I would be doing this move with a better hand than T3o and trying to flop a pair or a draw before donking. I've found against most opponents this works well with about 7 or 8 big blinds as you still have a lot of fold equity post flop when you shove for ~pot. The 1 extra BB preflop doesn't hurt your stack terribly and if you miss the flop you just move on to push folding PF. Getting a fold post flop feels oh so sweet and a lot of the time I get called by a bare 2 over cards or under pair making it a fist pump spot. You just have to be careful who you are doing this against as some of the regs are only min raising pre with on less than 12 blinds with a monster to induce.


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