[Closed] Call with odds or save stack

i think i would of called with that hand but if u read my post wot do i know lol

Hopefully everyone at this point knows how to play poker,with the exception of maybe a few lucky people still left.Assuming that SB knows how to play poker,he is clearly in P&F mode with 10 BB left,his all-in reraise after a raise from MP2 first in,puts you way behind his range.

Hopefully everyone at this point knows how to play poker,with the exception of maybe a few lucky people still left

how is that a good thing?

easy call getting 2:1

Originally posted by alejandrosh

Hopefully everyone at this point knows how to play poker,with the exception of maybe a few lucky people still left

how is that a good thing?

easy call getting 2:1

agree
SB got good stack to push resteal vs ur stack, imo u got to call there, he will do that ( if he is any good player) with big range of hands KQ,KJ+, QJs+, JTs+, KTs (maybe even 78s/98s/T9s if he thinks ur very tight) 55+, A8s+, A9+

but if he is tight player u can make a tough fold, tough couse u have right pot odds to call, and even than if u call imo it woudnt be wrong play but than ull be way behind or fliping

Originally posted by alejandrosh

Hopefully everyone at this point knows how to play poker,with the exception of maybe a few lucky people still left

how is that a good thing?

easy call getting 2:1

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My point is that he has no reads or stats,so he does not know if he is playing P&F rebound,or a loose cannon like therebuz suggests.2:1 are great odds for gamlers.he's less than 40% underdog,risking his mtt life by putting himself @9BB with a loss.

http://www.pokerstrategy.com/strategy/sng/787/

http://www.pokerstrategy.com/software/7/

http://www.pokerstrategy.com/software/6/

of all the articles and software that PS has to offer,I guarantee you this stuff is priceless.I use it all the time when I play mtt's&S&G's/19%ITM/9Kusd winnings 1.5yrs
Yes if you know he is playing therebuz's range,push because you have pot odds,and you are now a favorite @54% to win.

2:1 pot odds means u go to win 33% of time to be profitable

Equity Win Tie Loss Hand
Player 1: 46,586 % 46,370 % 0,433 % 53,197 % 9d9c
Player 2: 53,414 % 53,197 % 0,433 % 46,370 % TT+, 88-77, ATs+, AJo+

is this range tight enough??

or u prefer this 1?

Equity Win Tie Loss Hand
Player 1: 44,964 % 44,140 % 1,649 % 54,211 % 9d9c
Player 2: 55,036 % 54,211 % 1,649 % 44,140 % 77+, AJs+, AQo+

maybe this 1 will be better

Equity Win Tie Loss Hand
Player 1: 42,484 % 41,499 % 1,969 % 56,532 % 9d9c
Player 2: 57,516 % 56,532 % 1,969 % 41,499 % 77+, AQs+, AKo

lets see what happens if he is really tight and really stupid player

Equity Win Tie Loss Hand
Player 1: 31,189 % 30,985 % 0,409 % 68,606 % 9d9c
Player 2: 68,811 % 68,606 % 0,409 % 30,985 % TT+, AKs, AKo

UPS ...GUESS WE GOT TO FOLD THIS TIME ♦

P.S. 99 is a strong hand in this spot , is always a good call with that pot odds, if u got reads that he is tight u might fold COUSE U DONT LIKE TO TAKE UR CHANCES, AND PLAY IT SAVE BUT UR GETTING GOOD PRIZE TO CALL

you really think an unknown player with 11bbs-antes will shove tight enough for us to fold? seems like a really horrible fold.

btw you shouldn't use 9 man sngs chart on mtts

I do use the push and fold charts for mtts,not always exactly but close.Can you point out some better ones for me?please can you tell me how you would put the unknown on a range?

rhinoneil said he was itm crunch time(I think that to mean bubble before final table)so yes i do think his range should be close to that of 11BB/inSB/mp2 rebound on the charts,putting him at 36.5%,is the 3.5% dif enough to call?he's not the big stack,able to withstand the loss.
I'm thinking my only goal is to make it to final table,where the $ really goes up now.

Originally posted by alejandrosh
you really think an unknown player with 11bbs-antes will shove tight enough for us to fold? seems like a really horrible fold.

btw you shouldn't use 9 man sngs chart on mtts

I love to learn new things so please tell me:

1)what chart/guide you would use for push&fold situations in mtts?
2)what hand range you put the unknown player on?and why?

thank you.

at least 77+ and AJ+ , he is really short with an M < 5

about charts I don't use any, but grummeler did a pretty good job with a shoving guide here M-factor, Shoving Table

Thanks all.
I think there were around 3-4 tables still left and most people were already playing shove/fold, certainly any 3bet was a shove.
As I said before, I only considered my pot odds and made the call.
What I didnt think about was that losing left me with only 29K and on reflection I should have folded even with odds I think so I tend to agree with qcjunior.
Its another lesson learned for me, its not always about the odds, you have to safeguard your position in the torny as a whole sometimes and this was one of those occasions.
As it happened, I managed to recover and finished 4th

wow you really think about folding here right ?
lets see you get 2:1 odds so you need 33% equity.
you have tzhis equity even against a VERY VERY tight player.
nobody can play that tight with such a small stack that you can lay this hand down.

if you see the shoving ranges given aboth you just cant fold

true you risk some of your stack but most of the time you will be a small or even big favourite.

he SHOULD push ANY pair here. thats ood enough to make the call.

so if you fold here its just to scary and too afraid.

No I didnt consider folding for a second. My point is, should I have considered a fold in the context of my overall chip stack or is this always a call here?

no this is a call everytime no matter how big your stack is.
of you stack would be smaller you shove directly.
if your stack is big you dont might flipping here.
so here you call every single time

I'm still not convinced, though I do get the point about playing scared.
Lets switch it slightly and say that its the BB who shoves here instead of the SB.
Is that still a call now we really are calling for our tournament?

no 1 wants to convince u in something...
any way, if bb shoves ur not getting 2:1 pot odds ur getting ~1,45:1 so thats another hand, another game another situation.
btw BB shoving range would be tighter than a sb shoving range couse he got OK stack, and u got him covered and if u call and beat him his out so with 3+ more short stacks to go, he can wait for a better spot to shove and not messing around vs big stack with marginal hand, so if he shove he got a good hand (tt+ Aq+) and with pot odds ur getting then and with his range it is easy fold

snap call.