Middle stage hand, i think i played it very bad, what could i do diferent?

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Sorry headhunter,

I missed your post until now.
Unfortunately the hand was posted in the wrong forum. Therefore I will move it to the open hand discussion forum.

Regards,
Asaban

I just signed up so I can discuss hands with fellow players. My coach told me to talk about at least two hands a week. :-)

If I had been playing that hand I see two options: either bet the flop with the flush draw to see if you can take it down there. Then, when he re-raises, you could reassess the strength of your hand versus the strength of his. OR you could just check and then just call his bet. On the turn when the flush doesn't hit and another J comes, you could check-fold when he made his play with trips.

Thoughts??

My thought:

A pot size bet on a draw heavy flop is usually a player sitting with a pair fearing the draws, and he wants the pot right there.

you have 9 outs to make your flush and 3 for a top pair.

9+3= 12*2+2 = 26% is your odds for making top pair or a flush. This is a very easy way to calculate your odds on the fly.

You could call, but it's not worth it with the pot being 490. For it to be a profitable call the pot would have to be 4 times the bet villain made. If you decide to call anyway you should have checked when not making top pair or flush and let it go when villain bets.

I agree you played it badly.....

Pre - definite raise with A8s....

Post - cbet and then assess his bet - if it is a raise - fold, if it is a call I would prob see the turn then check/fold to a raise (depending on the size of bet)

By shoving ai you have made his decision easy....

Cheers,

Jass