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Originally posted by VorpalF2F
Tired is a different matter. Playing tired even when you're not tilting is tough.

yep, i know that.
But after 5-6 hours being concentrated on a MTT game, we can be tired.

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
Since this is your first post here,

Welcome to the PokerStrategy.com forums!

Regards,
--VS

Thanks :)


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CPallo
Joined: 12.04.2012

Hi Mr. Tendler,

First of all I want to thank you for your contribution to Pokerstrategy members - you are an awesome mental coach here, whose effort has improved our winrates a lot. I haven't been posting my problems here at all as I found all the solutions from your previous posts here and made them to fit my game. With your help I was able to solve my tilting problem, probably for good.

So thank you so much, even if I haven't been asking you any questions you saved my poker career.

-CPallo


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Landent1nger
Joined: 21.03.2009

Hello, Mr. Tendler! thanks to your articles and the book, I got a significant improvement in anti-tilt, it can be said that the last time I did not tilt except in one case

I get the tilt when I lose increased stack of the upper limit or stacks of 4-5 consecutive on upper limit. Previously, I fell into despair strong in such cases and smashed mouse. Now everything has improved, but disturbs me nonetheless. When the above-described loser I get upset, a little confused thoughts during the game and increased body temperature (these are signs of tilt).

Still, it's hard to calm down completely in such cases
And after the session, I was quite upset and I scroll through my head distribution, in which I losed on the upper limit

I can not decide which is the kind of tilt and how to fight it. advise something pls. Sry for bad English


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hi Mr Tendler,

another sort of tilt i experienced: some kind of emotionnal tilt during a hand.

can happen in CG when big pot, or in tournament when a lot of chips going in the middle,

you hit a big hand on flop (set for ex), and you raise then lead the turn

it happened to me many times that when river is coming, i am no more in a successfull mindset for playing a good poker: the emotionnal part had taken the lead of my brain, and no more thinking there.

it happen very very quickly and genraly, this is after get busted that i understood what was my error river... :(


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JaredTendler
Joined: 16.05.2011

Hey everyone!

I'm back! And happy to be. I know it's been a while since I've posted. Busy times for me - I got married, went on my honeymoon and then had a busy two weeks before going to the WSOP for two weeks. But, I'm back settled now and will hopefully be scheduling a new Q&A coaching webinar soon.

Ok, off to answer your questions...

Originally posted by Santiniii
First, your video is very helpful and i hope you will be able to make a new one in June. :)

I have 2 questions:

1. for a poker player its tough to get a good sleeping routine, do you have any advice on that issue? what advice do you have on how to stay focus during a long poker session?

2. i think i am more motivated to play when im on a downswing, because im so ambitious. im not sure if thats a bad thing or not? :) i guess if u dont have any tilt problems it cant be that bad. what do u think, is it bad to have that mindset or not?

Santiniii

Great to hear you enjoyed it!

Your first questions about sleep and focus are quite broad. There's a lot that I can say about both. Can you be specific about the problems you have with sleep or focus? Do you sleep too long, too little? Have trouble getting to sleep, waking up? How long can you focus well for? How many tables are you playing? What makes you focus better or worse? Etc...

2: It makes sense for you and many players to be more motivated during a downswing. Is it bad? No. Could you find ways to become more motivated when you're running well or doing well? Yes. The question is whether you want to put in the work to increase your motivation at those times. There's only so much you can focus on at one time. I suspect that improving sleep and focus is a bigger priority. So start there and if they stop becoming big issues then you can come back to you try to improve your motivation.

Post more regarding #1 and I'll give you specific advice.


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JaredTendler
Joined: 16.05.2011

Originally posted by FatSunny
Do you tilt? sorry had to ask

Amazingly you're the first person to ask this. I would have though it be a required question:) Remember I don't play poker professionally, so my answer refers to anything in my life.

Depends on your definition of tilt. I define it as anger causing mistakes. I of course get frustrated at times, but I'm able to keep it at a level that's low enough that my mistakes are very small. Do I make mistakes for other reasons - of course - all the time:) I work hard to learn from them, make corrections, and move on.


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JaredTendler
Joined: 16.05.2011

Originally posted by AlvisR
Hi Jared, i would like to ask a question for you (at the moment i am reading your book and i really like it!)

There are days or sessions when i feel 100% comfortable and full of confidence when to play poker. I do not struggle with anything. It feels like everything has its logics. But sooner or later (other session or other day) I feel scared, thinking to play or not. In the same time i think why are all these thoughts coming to my head, theare are no signs of anything i could run bad or play bad - make bad decisions, because i just have not started to play. And ofcourse when i play this session - it goes bad way. Why is this happening in my brains now and then? How to prevent and block such feelings?

I`m confused - how to understand this ?

Level 1 — Unconscious Incompetence. You don’t even know what you don’t know. In other words, you’re blind to the ways that you lack
skill ic ition, [insert 2 other conchog easier. Just think how much easier decisions in poker got when you understand the importanundun,
which isn’t necessarily good or bad. For some players ignorance is bliss.

Hey Alvis,

Interesting question/problem. As humans, our thoughts, feelings and actions aren't random. That doesn't mean we always know why things happen at first. But with more attention/focus paid towards understanding our patterns we can figure out why things like what you're experiencing happen. I'm going to toss out an idea, but I suggest that you think more about this and take notes when it happens with the intent of trying to figure out why it's happening. I suspect that there may be a part of you that worries that things can't be good forever - so you start to worry that a bad run could come or that you would suddenly start playing badly. What do you think?

You don't want to block these feelings out until you understand why they are happening. Otherwise, how can you understand them enough to correct them?

Regarding that section of the book - you must have an old copy of the ebook that was corrected shortly after it was released. That section should read like this:

Level 1 — Unconscious Incompetence. You don’t even know what you don’t know. In other words, you’re blind to the ways that you lack skill, which isn’t necessarily good or bad. For some players ignorance is bliss.

Level 2 — Conscious Incompetence. Now you’ve become conscious of what you don’t know. But that doesn’t make you skilled, it just means you know what skills you need to improve. Becoming conscious happens from either your own insight or insight that is shared with you by someone else.

Level 3 — Conscious Competence. If you’ve reached this level, it means you’ve done some work and/or have had enough repetition to gain some
skill. The only catch is that in order to be skilled, you need to think about what you’ve learned . . . otherwise, you return to being incompetent.

Level 4 — Unconscious Competence. At this level, you’ve learned something so well that it is now totally automatic and requires no thinking. Unconscious Competence is the Holy Grail of learning, and by far the most important concept in this book.

All the best,
Jared


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JaredTendler
Joined: 16.05.2011

Originally posted by henrimic
hi there,

dunno if thread still active ?

i'am a recreationnal live poker player, MTT or CG.

my problem is a impatience tilt: card dead, i can overplay hands when i finaly got, or even play rags and spew a lot.

i got your first book, and in didn't notice which type of tilt , impatience can be put in ?

i a trying to inject logic, like "everybdy got the same number of premiums, juste wait, try gathering information to use when you'll get it" or smthing like that.

but, in MTT mainly, getting tired + card dead mean spew.

any help ?

Hi,

Great to hear you have the first book - unfort this topic isn't covered in it. I consider tilt to be mistakes only caused by anger. I define it this way so we can be super clear about what exactly is causing a players' mistakes. Because the solution changes based on the cause. There's a different solution for anger than there is for impatience.

The general strategy is the same, and it's cool to see you come up with an Injecting Logic Statement. In order for it to work really well you have to really understand what's causing your impatience.

So let's start there. Why do you get impatient when your card dead? Why do you overplay hands? Why do you try to force the action or spew?

Post more and I'll give you some specific advice.


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JaredTendler
Joined: 16.05.2011

Originally posted by CPallo
Hi Mr. Tendler,

First of all I want to thank you for your contribution to Pokerstrategy members - you are an awesome mental coach here, whose effort has improved our winrates a lot. I haven't been posting my problems here at all as I found all the solutions from your previous posts here and made them to fit my game. With your help I was able to solve my tilting problem, probably for good.

So thank you so much, even if I haven't been asking you any questions you saved my poker career.

-CPallo

Please call me Jared:)

Wonderful to hear!! It's very cool to know you've been helped by my answer to others! I'm always hopeful that my posts will help more than just the person I'm responding to. And it's great to know that is actually happening.

Wish you continued success!


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JaredTendler
Joined: 16.05.2011

Originally posted by Landent1nger
Hello, Mr. Tendler! thanks to your articles and the book, I got a significant improvement in anti-tilt, it can be said that the last time I did not tilt except in one case

I get the tilt when I lose increased stack of the upper limit or stacks of 4-5 consecutive on upper limit. Previously, I fell into despair strong in such cases and smashed mouse. Now everything has improved, but disturbs me nonetheless. When the above-described loser I get upset, a little confused thoughts during the game and increased body temperature (these are signs of tilt).

Still, it's hard to calm down completely in such cases
And after the session, I was quite upset and I scroll through my head distribution, in which I losed on the upper limit

I can not decide which is the kind of tilt and how to fight it. advise something pls. Sry for bad English

Hello! Great to hear you've made some solid progress with you tilt!

To take the next step I think we really need to figure out what the specific type of tilt your experiencing though. Can you look through the beginnings of each type of tilt (starting on page 85 of the softcover) and look at the questions/signs of each type. Does any of them stand out to you most when you think about your reaction to losing? Is it as simple as hating to lose? Does it feel unfair? Do you get pissed off at your opponents for taking your money?

Post more and we'll take the next step.


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JaredTendler
Joined: 16.05.2011

Originally posted by henrimic
hi Mr Tendler,

another sort of tilt i experienced: some kind of emotionnal tilt during a hand.

can happen in CG when big pot, or in tournament when a lot of chips going in the middle,

you hit a big hand on flop (set for ex), and you raise then lead the turn

it happened to me many times that when river is coming, i am no more in a successfull mindset for playing a good poker: the emotionnal part had taken the lead of my brain, and no more thinking there.

it happen very very quickly and genraly, this is after get busted that i understood what was my error river... :(

Another interesting problem. Do you think your emotions have risen because you realize that your tournament life is on the line?

Regardless of the cause of this emotion - I recommend starting to Inject Logic and doing some deep breathing as soon as you hit a big hand on the flop. The hand may not turn out to be big, but you want to minimize as much as possible, the accumulation of emotion so you can remain thinking on the river. You can also create/reference a strategic reminder that includes the corrections to your most common mistakes on the river, so by taking deep breaths and injecting logic that you can then focus your mind on playing tactically better than usual.


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ilidek
Joined: 06.07.2010

Hi Jarred,

I have your two books and I am a bit confused about things I should do in the first place. I am working with your first book for two months now so I done some things like mental hand histories, tilt profile, A to C game analysis and so forth. I do Post Session analysis at least once a day ( I usually play 2 x 3-4 sessions of HU, sometimes it’s once 7h sometimes it’s 4h and 5h it really depends, 6 days a week ) I do session Review every day and I spot that I play rather solid all the time, I do mistakes etc. but I do them less and less often than I used to. No matter how much am I tired / angry, or how well I feell I play rather the same. I am slowly adding two new concepts to my game.

Anyway I tilt a lot. I mean I not spew at the tables because I like money but I crush different things at home. Like keyboards, shakers, timer, I slam desk, kick wall, I did a hole in a wall and all that crap. I want to get rid of that because it’s unhealthy.

Here is my tilt profile:
https://www.evernote.com/shard/s205/sh/b310f512-58dd-4431-a4e8-b07a212c5788/f05dfc68b4248f33397b084d5a3dd95f?noteKey=f05dfc68b4248f33397b084d5a3dd95f&noteGuid=b310f512-58dd-4431-a4e8-b07a212c5788

My Mental Hand History I spot lately I have problem with:

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s205/sh/50a653db-8b56-4291-b626-96c9f72cb655/0f8bf7152b282d0a9c9dc7a84e2d20f6?noteKey=0f8bf7152b282d0a9c9dc7a84e2d20f6&noteGuid=50a653db-8b56-4291-b626-96c9f72cb655

My A to C game:
https://www.evernote.com/shard/s205/sh/c3585119-903a-4d5e-8863-ebc6a3342df1/1d73ac7250cd3874f216920ffa313812?noteKey=1d73ac7250cd3874f216920ffa313812&noteGuid=c3585119-903a-4d5e-8863-ebc6a3342df1

My Spectrum of Negative Emotion – Anger:

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s205/sh/a7d9cb04-9de9-47aa-8ee1-71cf55418f02/5cb059ed8c1ed76ce4d5948f60e8fc24?noteKey=5cb059ed8c1ed76ce4d5948f60e8fc24&noteGuid=a7d9cb04-9de9-47aa-8ee1-71cf55418f02

I can add something more because I have a lot of those things like Post Session Analysis etc. I just don’t know what I should do to work on it. I mean I know I need to learn how to deal with emotions better than most people because I spend on poker 50-60h a week I play 4h sessions of HU and so forth. Can you help me find things I should work on in the first place? I want to get rid of monkey tilt when I need to crush something?

I didn’t knew you work can help with sleep too. I have problem with sleeping to little. I don’t sleep enough I mean I sleep ~6h a day. When I wake up and can’t fall asleep I just wake up because I hate losing time. I think I should sleep more I train box 2 times a week, train Mai Thai 2 times a week, play a lot of poker, learn a lot of poker and so forth. My body and mind need to rest and I can’t do it right.

Regards Paweł


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Originally posted by JaredTendler

Originally posted by henrimic
hi there,

dunno if thread still active ?

i'am a recreationnal live poker player, MTT or CG.

my problem is a impatience tilt: card dead, i can overplay hands when i finaly got, or even play rags and spew a lot.

i got your first book, and in didn't notice which type of tilt , impatience can be put in ?

i a trying to inject logic, like "everybdy got the same number of premiums, juste wait, try gathering information to use when you'll get it" or smthing like that.

but, in MTT mainly, getting tired + card dead mean spew.

any help ?

Hi,

Great to hear you have the first book - unfort this topic isn't covered in it. I consider tilt to be mistakes only caused by anger. I define it this way so we can be super clear about what exactly is causing a players' mistakes. Because the solution changes based on the cause. There's a different solution for anger than there is for impatience.

The general strategy is the same, and it's cool to see you come up with an Injecting Logic Statement. In order for it to work really well you have to really understand what's causing your impatience.

So let's start there. Why do you get impatient when your card dead? Why do you overplay hands? Why do you try to force the action or spew?

Post more and I'll give you some specific advice.

Thks for answering.

i guess i am impatient because i see players stacking chips, and not me;

i overplays hands and try to force action because once i finally get one ; or decide to play with trash, i try to get chips wathever happens in that hand, and won't fold as i should have to do.

Regards,

henri


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Originally posted by JaredTendler
Hey everyone!

I'm back! And happy to be. I know it's been a while since I've posted. Busy times for me - I got married, went on my honeymoon and then had a busy two weeks before going to the WSOP for two weeks. But, I'm back settled now and will hopefully be scheduling a new Q&A coaching webinar soon.

Ok, off to answer your questions...

Originally posted by Santiniii
First, your video is very helpful and i hope you will be able to make a new one in June. :)

I have 2 questions:

1. for a poker player its tough to get a good sleeping routine, do you have any advice on that issue? what advice do you have on how to stay focus during a long poker session?

2. i think i am more motivated to play when im on a downswing, because im so ambitious. im not sure if thats a bad thing or not? :) i guess if u dont have any tilt problems it cant be that bad. what do u think, is it bad to have that mindset or not?

Santiniii

Great to hear you enjoyed it!

Your first questions about sleep and focus are quite broad. There's a lot that I can say about both. Can you be specific about the problems you have with sleep or focus? Do you sleep too long, too little? Have trouble getting to sleep, waking up? How long can you focus well for? How many tables are you playing? What makes you focus better or worse? Etc...

2: It makes sense for you and many players to be more motivated during a downswing. Is it bad? No. Could you find ways to become more motivated when you're running well or doing well? Yes. The question is whether you want to put in the work to increase your motivation at those times. There's only so much you can focus on at one time. I suspect that improving sleep and focus is a bigger priority. So start there and if they stop becoming big issues then you can come back to you try to improve your motivation.

Post more regarding #1 and I'll give you specific advice.

hey,

thanks for the response! i will try to answer as good as possible.. :)

actually my sleeping problem is almost solved i started to sleep alot better when i had a more organized grinding schedule. f.e. i always grind 4 days/week for about 10h/day, 24+ tables. i play MTTs roughly 80 tourneys/session. i actually never had a problem with focus, maybe at the late stage of a session with only one tourney left, but thats not sucha big factor. also my mental game improved alot because of this schedule, before i used to grind like every sunday for few hours. that wasnt very good for my mental game cause if u dont get a big volume in as an mtt player the swings can be crazy, by grinding this much it helps me keeping the swings smaller over time and i also learned to never tilt during those long sessions.
however im still not very motivated when im on a upswing which is prob not so good, i guess ur playing ur A-game more often on an upswing becuase ur lvl of confidence is much higher.

thanks,
Santiniii


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Hi Jared,

To begin with, I loved reading the Mental Game of Poker book as it appeared that I am a bigger mental game fish than I thought. It have me a great confidence boost to tackle my issues which don't appear as scary and unique anymore.

I wonder if you could have a look at my mental hand history as I am not sure if my understanding of 'why the logic is flawed' and 'why is the correction correct' good.

MISTAKE TILT
1. Describe the problem.
I go on tilt when I make a bad play which I didn’t carefully think through or where I ignore stats that are too low for a good sample but which would change my decision.

2. Why does it make logical sense that you would react, think, or feel that way?
Because I think that only bad players make mistakes and good players don’t.

3. Why is that logic flawed?
I ignore the reality that one cannot account for all the facts in a limited time period. In essence I believe that the more I learn the fewer mistakes I will make.

4. What is the correct way to handle the situation?
Regardless of how much I learn, mistakes will always happen because when I learn I start noticing mistakes where I didn’t notice them before. Therefore, the better I play the more marginal spots I will get myself into. The bigger mistake is letting one turn into more.

5. Why is that correction correct?
Poker is the game of incomplete information so mistakes are bound to happen as I will never have all the information. Therefore, when I make a mistake there is nothing else I can do about it so I should keep my focus on what I can do, which is play the next hand well.

Thanks again for writing such a great book!
David


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xxInspectorxx
Joined: 24.09.2011

Hi Jared!

Apologies if I am bothering with a question adressed in your books. I am looking to order them soon but atm am still in a middle of another book that has some answers but as its not targetted to pokerplayers its more general.

As I have grew "older" and have more hands played than 3 yrs ago when I started i have gotten worse in few mental things. Due to easily tilting on cashgames lately I have finally understood that they are not for me. Especially "dangerous" are the static tables as I get personal too easy. Have played all micro limits in y "career" from NL2 to NL50 and back again. My hectic life nd small children prevented me to get into stt/mtt gaming thus played cash. Now with kids not waking up during my grinds etc intereference am now able to finally tackle the tournament poker i have always fancies...just a small intro..so to the subject.

I have started grinding the Double or Nothing STT format and am playin on $2.2 and doing great on the superturbos even though am runnin nicely inder EV for almost 800 games now since I started the grind. And the more i play thee deeper the gap grows..but even that doesn't concern me as it just prooving am playing well and just run bad against lucky fish. Thanks to my rakeback I am moving up nicely even during the EV downswing. But here is the problem. Since I soon realised that the DoN format is something I really like and seem to have understood I got the "heureka" feeling. This is it these are the games I like these are the games I will master and push in 100% effort like I once used for cashgames. So I did a plan. Put it on paper and looking to edit it as more goals etc coöe in and as i can make mor short term goals.

So I am super motivated I do lot of mental studying and meditating. This format is not tilting me at all. i think that is a problem? I dont mind suckouts s long as I have played correctly I don't mind cold deck it always has become warm after some stretch of games. Going on 100 games slow downhill or 400 games be rollercoast as it is as long as i play correctly the upswing will come where my game moves get the needed justice in mathematical aspect. So the games are not suffering BUT my plan is to move to $5.5 games next month with the RB coming in. And the problem kicks in.

I have found a new mental block on my game. Its GREED. My initiallan is to use enough agressive but still strict brm. 50-30. And I will be looking at around 60 to even 70 BI roll for $5.5. But then the fear called GREED kicks in. Greed is a manifestation of the fear of loosing. So you turn greedy you want to just suck in the ezmoney instead stepping outside the comfortzone where u are beating the games. I "fear" for my preciouss graph more than the monetary thing. I have set strict rules to follow and they are easy to follow but still I am feeling greedy to suck in the moneys from the limit currently beating. Am also afraid i will hit the instant doomswitch after moving up. Not the actual EV downswings and suckouts but just bad run to begin wiith loosing the 20BI "shot" faster than ever then having to grind up again. One of the highly valued coach in here has put up a comparison of graphs on his site where he shows same player making huge profits big graphs tjat then end up near BE or are jusr crazy swingy..then same players graph steadily moving up up up winning more in the end as its just filtered by the level of stakes the player in question beats with ease.

The craziest thing is that am quite comfortable in moving up but still in the back of my head I am afraid of the start next month. If someone would promise me 10 bi up during the first 100 games. I would have no problem as the swings are not too insane on the format. So any simple ways to battle greed? My strict written on paper plan is ez to follow but beimg successful on my current level is turning me greedy and its slowing my progress as a pokerplayer as better villains will make me push harder to get myself better than them slowing my bankroll increase eventually too. So as long as i don't get rid of the greed i wont be able to play my A+ game.

P.S. This is not scared money syndrome as the roll for $5 is easily reloaded. I just wanted to get thru all the levels and get a good learning experience thru the stakes.

Thanks in advance.. Also as I suspect you have this covered in your books so just tell me to get them but if you could give me a quick hint on how to tackle this greed problem


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Walshnm
Joined: 18.12.2008

Great post - Thanks Pleno


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hey jared, can you post some well written mental handhistories? or how they should look like? wished there were more in your book.


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JaredTendler
Joined: 16.05.2011

Originally posted by ilidek
Hi Jarred,

I have your two books and I am a bit confused about things I should do in the first place. I am working with your first book for two months now so I done some things like mental hand histories, tilt profile, A to C game analysis and so forth. I do Post Session analysis at least once a day ( I usually play 2 x 3-4 sessions of HU, sometimes it’s once 7h sometimes it’s 4h and 5h it really depends, 6 days a week ) I do session Review every day and I spot that I play rather solid all the time, I do mistakes etc. but I do them less and less often than I used to. No matter how much am I tired / angry, or how well I feell I play rather the same. I am slowly adding two new concepts to my game.

Anyway I tilt a lot. I mean I not spew at the tables because I like money but I crush different things at home. Like keyboards, shakers, timer, I slam desk, kick wall, I did a hole in a wall and all that crap. I want to get rid of that because it’s unhealthy.

Here is my tilt profile:
https://www.evernote.com/shard/s205/sh/b310f512-58dd-4431-a4e8-b07a212c5788/f05dfc68b4248f33397b084d5a3dd95f?noteKey=f05dfc68b4248f33397b084d5a3dd95f&noteGuid=b310f512-58dd-4431-a4e8-b07a212c5788

My Mental Hand History I spot lately I have problem with:

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s205/sh/50a653db-8b56-4291-b626-96c9f72cb655/0f8bf7152b282d0a9c9dc7a84e2d20f6?noteKey=0f8bf7152b282d0a9c9dc7a84e2d20f6&noteGuid=50a653db-8b56-4291-b626-96c9f72cb655

My A to C game:
https://www.evernote.com/shard/s205/sh/c3585119-903a-4d5e-8863-ebc6a3342df1/1d73ac7250cd3874f216920ffa313812?noteKey=1d73ac7250cd3874f216920ffa313812&noteGuid=c3585119-903a-4d5e-8863-ebc6a3342df1

My Spectrum of Negative Emotion – Anger:

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s205/sh/a7d9cb04-9de9-47aa-8ee1-71cf55418f02/5cb059ed8c1ed76ce4d5948f60e8fc24?noteKey=5cb059ed8c1ed76ce4d5948f60e8fc24&noteGuid=a7d9cb04-9de9-47aa-8ee1-71cf55418f02

I can add something more because I have a lot of those things like Post Session Analysis etc. I just don’t know what I should do to work on it. I mean I know I need to learn how to deal with emotions better than most people because I spend on poker 50-60h a week I play 4h sessions of HU and so forth. Can you help me find things I should work on in the first place? I want to get rid of monkey tilt when I need to crush something?

I didn’t knew you work can help with sleep too. I have problem with sleeping to little. I don’t sleep enough I mean I sleep ~6h a day. When I wake up and can’t fall asleep I just wake up because I hate losing time. I think I should sleep more I train box 2 times a week, train Mai Thai 2 times a week, play a lot of poker, learn a lot of poker and so forth. My body and mind need to rest and I can’t do it right.

Regards Paweł

Hi Pawel,

I know it's been several months since your post. How is your tilt these days?

I have a few suggestions for you, if your still struggling. First off, you've done a great job with your tilt profile, A-C-game analysis, and spectrum of anger. The key for you now is to do a MHH's for the things in your tilt profile that are biggest sources of your tilt - the top 3 - for example. Then, use that to create Injecting Logic statements that you can use while your playing and begin to notice that type of tilt, as a way of reducing the intensity of your anger. Do that at the first sign, so you can try to catch the problem early and when it's still small. Then, after your session vent about what was frustrating you and use the MHH to help you to break down the accumulated emotion, and better learn the correction to it. These steps are crucial to help you move toward resolving your anger, so there will be less of it, and thus you'll be less likely to break s***.

In the meantime, I would make it a goal that you're going to work hard to avoid getting to the point where you'll be so angry that you need to break something. I think the MHH that you posted was really insightful and makes total sense to me. Use that insight/knowledge as a tool to keep yourself motivated to WANT to control your anger. Otherwise, there won't be anything to stop it from growing out of control.

If you want some feedback on your MHH's, feel free to post them.

All the best,
Jared


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Originally posted by henrimic

Originally posted by JaredTendler

Originally posted by henrimic
hi there,

dunno if thread still active ?

i'am a recreationnal live poker player, MTT or CG.

my problem is a impatience tilt: card dead, i can overplay hands when i finaly got, or even play rags and spew a lot.

i got your first book, and in didn't notice which type of tilt , impatience can be put in ?

i a trying to inject logic, like "everybdy got the same number of premiums, juste wait, try gathering information to use when you'll get it" or smthing like that.

but, in MTT mainly, getting tired + card dead mean spew.

any help ?

Hi,

Great to hear you have the first book - unfort this topic isn't covered in it. I consider tilt to be mistakes only caused by anger. I define it this way so we can be super clear about what exactly is causing a players' mistakes. Because the solution changes based on the cause. There's a different solution for anger than there is for impatience.

The general strategy is the same, and it's cool to see you come up with an Injecting Logic Statement. In order for it to work really well you have to really understand what's causing your impatience.

So let's start there. Why do you get impatient when your card dead? Why do you overplay hands? Why do you try to force the action or spew?

Post more and I'll give you some specific advice.

Thks for answering.

i guess i am impatient because i see players stacking chips, and not me;

i overplays hands and try to force action because once i finally get one ; or decide to play with trash, i try to get chips wathever happens in that hand, and won't fold as i should have to do.

Regards,

henri

Hi Henri,

Make sense - and the flaws behind these actions are obviously that you're trying to control aspects of the action that you can't control. There's a line (which is hard to see sometimes) between making moves that are profitable long-term, and getting impatience and doing things that deep down you know aren't correct, but since you can always get lucky, have some chance of working out. In essence, you start gambling.

The first priority is for you to recognize that you are in fact impatient (in real time), so write out all the signs (thoughts, physical action/changes, change in focus, etc) that indicate you're feeling impatient, as well as all the types of tactical mistakes that you make. It may seem obvious to you after the fact that you've become impatient, but you need to know VERY clearly that you've become so, in real time, and to know what kinds of mistakes or problems will arise if you don't attempt to be in control of it.

As for an Injecting Logic statement, I'm wondering if something like this can help: "Impatience turns me into a gambler. Work hard to stay in control, look for profitable spot, and play as well as I possibly can. Then, even if I end up losing, at least I know I did everything I possibly could and it just wasn't my day." Or something along those lines.

What do you think?


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