Hvard92

So generally, you want to isolate callingstations, and play abc poker like how it's described in "The 8 player types" in NL Beginners Course?

Originally posted by hvard92
So generally, you want to isolate callingstations, and play abc poker like how it's described in "The 8 player types" in NL Beginners Course?

You can call it abc but really you want to valuebet/valuebet/valuebet which is key, including thin valuebets which are generally not part of an ABC beginner's game.

So if i understand it right. You need some equity like SC to get paid off by a callingstation, that's what i think. Or can i just isolate with anything since the callingstation is likely to call with a worse pair if i hit top pair with forexample 92o. Like how much equity do i need at least for isolate loose passive players?

Another question. What do you think about me buying mbml's book? I think maybe the book will covering alot of my questions i'm asking. Have you read it?

Originally posted by hvard92
So if i understand it right. You need some equity like SC to get paid off by a callingstation, that's what i think. Or can i just isolate with anything since the callingstation is likely to call with a worse pair if i hit top pair with forexample 92o. Like how much equity do i need at least for isolate loose passive players?

Another question. What do you think about me buying mbml's book? I think maybe the book will covering alot of my questions i'm asking. Have you read it?

Hi hvard92,

I wouldn't isolate with just anything. We need playability which is usually high cards but it depends on how wide they call preflop. The looser they call the more we can isolate.

As far as mbml's book goes I have not had the chance to read it but I wouldn't recommend any book until you exhaust all the free options (articles/videos) you have available on this site.

Best regards,

Bogdan

I wouldn't isolate with just anything. We need playability which is usually high cards but it depends on how wide they call preflop. The looser they call the more we can isolate.

Playability = equity? Like 78s? Kxs? kx?

If his VPIP is 100 over 30 hands, how far will you go with isolating then? Does it heavily depends on how often he fold to cbets? Or doesn't it matter that much since you know how to play your hands (better or worse) better than his hands?

Originally posted by hvard92

I wouldn't isolate with just anything. We need playability which is usually high cards but it depends on how wide they call preflop. The looser they call the more we can isolate.

Playability = equity? Like 78s? Kxs? kx?

If his VPIP is 100 over 30 hands, how far will you go with isolating then? Does it heavily depends on how often he fold to cbets? Or doesn't it matter that much since you know how to play your hands (better or worse) better than his hands?

Playability means a hand that can actually do something postflop (because we expect to get called often). So seeing a flop with 72o is far from ideal.

As far as the example you gave I would focus on any postflop reads that we have first (such as hands that went to showdown, what lines he took, etc). 30 hands is not a lot for us to look at stats but shodowns are something else.

OF course if he folded 10/12 times in a cbet pot that can help us.

As far as the example you gave I would focus on any postflop reads that we have first (such as hands that went to showdown, what lines he took, etc). 30 hands is not a lot for us to look at stats but shodowns are something else.

Can you give an example of how you would take advantage of showdowns and what lines opponent takes?

Originally posted by hvard92

As far as the example you gave I would focus on any postflop reads that we have first (such as hands that went to showdown, what lines he took, etc). 30 hands is not a lot for us to look at stats but shodowns are something else.

Can you give an example of how you would take advantage of showdowns and what lines opponent takes?

There are many examples you can probably find in your database but if you see the fish Ck/calling let's say Jh Td on Kh Js 3c 4c Ad when you 3-barrel you know you most likely have a station on your hand that will not fold much.

This type of information is generally not reflected in the stats unless you have a huge sample.

I want to try to do some homework on the NL Beginners Course again=)

Question 1: What is your motivation for playing poker? (Be as vague or specific as you want with this one, but try to think of all the reasons and elaborate on them.)
To make a living out of it. Alot of pokerplayers and ex pokerplayer say it's very hard to make a living out if it and it takes alot of work and dedication, dicipline, and study, study, study and you really have to push yourself to the utmost. Perfect! Since i really like all of this and i'm not even lying to myself either and i love the game.

Question 2: What are your weaknesses when playing poker? (What are the mistakes you know you are making during your games? Are you playing while you're tired? Are you tilting easily? Want to see the showdown too much? Write down as many as you think are affecting you.)

I tilt easily, i think also think i want to see the showdown too much. I can't think of any more. I just know there's alot of concepts i've don't understood yet like when to valuebet or bluff(would he called worse, folded a better hand), the difference between the strategies on playestyle and tablestyle,

Question 3: What does it mean to play tight aggressive? (Describe in your own words what playing tight aggressive is and why does it work.)

A tag plays tight agressive. He play fewer cards and carefully select his spots to play them in. A tag is also capable of bluffing, putting his opponents on pressure and getting away with it more often than not since he gets more credit for his hands due to his playerstyle or low handselection.

I am glad you decided to do some homework exercises.

Congrats for finishing homework #1.

Regarding your tilt problems I would start by setting up a stop loss and setting up a way to quite when you first sense that tilt will begin (having a limit on your session length can help in that regard).

Best of luck at the tables,

Bogdan

I want to say that this course is just almost too good to be true. I can't wait to learn about all the things there. And i got alot from lesson 1. I am a bit mad over myself for not taking this course much sooner! This would have saved me from all the discussions and questions in the Hand Evaluation Forum. I can't wait to do the further lessons. The content is just superb for me.

Referring to "Putting theory into practice bonus" (Lesson 1)

* Hand evaluations
* Strategy discussions
* Articles, columns and quizzes
* Videos
* Live coachings

I don't have like much of a plan, which sounds bad. But i pretty much study every day and use 99% of my sparetime on poker so do i need like a very solid plan when i'm that much interested and study all the time?

I have a kind of a plan and here is it:

Live coachings

The only live coachings i want to do now is the livecoachings who is in the lessons with veriz. Since each livecoaching video is specified to each lessons, i would most likely know what he is talking about and i think i'm learning much more here since he are referring his play and information to each lesson. I have tried to do regular free coachings but they are often talk about things i don't know much about and it's getting hard to learn when they do that so for now i'm gonna be concentrating on veriz videos in the NL Beginners Course. And they are great btw!

Videos

I don't see why i should look at any video when i'm trying to develope a solid basic generall knowledge about the game and the only videos i'm gonna be watching is the videos in the NL BC. After i've finished the course and i'm capable to master everything i've learned there, then i would consider maybe watch some other advanced trainingvideos, don't you think?

Articles column and quizzes

I'm gonna finish the NL BC which is about the same i guess?

Strategy discussions

I've already discussed alot with you and mbml and i've just realised that it's nearly pointless to discuss with anyone before i know more about the game. But after i've finish the course, then i've probably gonna discuss. But now i can't see the benefit with it. But I can ask you if there's something in the course i don't understand ofc.

Hand evaluations

I am gonna continue to post hands on the Hand Evaluation Forum and i think this is just a + while i'm finishing the course. And it's a part of the course aswell.

So my question is: Is this a good plan? This is how i think i would have learned best and i don't like to work on too many things at one time. I like to learn one concept first and then move on to the next concept after i've mastered it.

I have some questions in relation to Lesson 2

1. "The odds of making a straight are 5:1 against you. This means you will only make your hand in one of the six cases."
So 5:1 means that i win one six cases not that i win 1 of 5 times. Like 5:1 = 5+1= 6= 6/1? I have to be shure=P

2. Lesson 2>Mathematics>Mathematics of Poker: Odds and Outs>Page 3> Example 2

"You do have a flush draw, but since it is weak, you can only count on 6-7 outs."
Why do i have to discount 6-7 outs here? Isn't always the outs for a FD 9?

3. Lesson 2>Mathematics>Mathematics of Poker: Odds and Outs>Page 3> Example 5

"You bet on the flop with an OESD; your opponent raises. You have 8 outs and two over cards, which allow you to add another 2-3 outs."

Why not 6 outs? 3 kings and 3queens? and the flop is rainbow too.

4. How many players can be in a pot without discounting cards?

5. Is it more methods of inducing bluffs and signal weakness than checking and betting small?

6. Can i give myself good odds for drawing? Forexample:
-NL2
-Flushdraw
-Pot: 0,12
-I bet: 0,3 (like a call). If someone starts raising me, i just stop with it immediately.I probably won't be getting implied odds since my bet is a little bit obvious but if i hit, i win the pot and i will win in the long run right? I can't do it in the higher limits but maybe NL2?

7. Weak Tight Players: As described, i can't really see the difference between the Weak Tight Player and the Nit. What is the difference?

8. This is from BONUS: Crushing NL50>Blind stealing

"You can raise some hands against loose players with big stacks, but you have to be sure to have a higher potential for medium-strong hands. This is because you will often enter into the showdown and your opponents will fold a smaller number of similar hands. You will get a positive EV after the flop not so much because your opponents are folding but rather by winning the showdown itself."

Can you describe in an easy way what "higher potential for medium-strong hands" means? I understand all the words but i can't figure out what the sentence means

Against tight opponents, however, you have to pay attention to the potential for hands that are hard to recognise and very strong (sets, flushes, straights), not so much to pairs. These very rarely make it into the showdown in the first place, because you or your opponent would be very likely to fold beforehand.

I'm stuck with the same problem here too

However, as already pointed out in the previous section, the analysis offered by the Startinghands chart is incomplete:

* Different hands are grouped into categories
* Only a small fraction of the data available is used

What does this mean?

Originally posted by hvard92
I want to say that this course is just almost too good to be true. I can't wait to learn about all the things there. And i got alot from lesson 1. I am a bit mad over myself for not taking this course much sooner! This would have saved me from all the discussions and questions in the Hand Evaluation Forum. I can't wait to do the further lessons. The content is just superb for me.

Referring to "Putting theory into practice bonus" (Lesson 1)

* Hand evaluations
* Strategy discussions
* Articles, columns and quizzes
* Videos
* Live coachings

I don't have like much of a plan, which sounds bad. But i pretty much study every day and use 99% of my sparetime on poker so do i need like a very solid plan when i'm that much interested and study all the time?

I have a kind of a plan and here is it:

Live coachings

The only live coachings i want to do now is the livecoachings who is in the lessons with veriz. Since each livecoaching video is specified to each lessons, i would most likely know what he is talking about and i think i'm learning much more here since he are referring his play and information to each lesson. I have tried to do regular free coachings but they are often talk about things i don't know much about and it's getting hard to learn when they do that so for now i'm gonna be concentrating on veriz videos in the NL Beginners Course. And they are great btw!

Videos

I don't see why i should look at any video when i'm trying to develope a solid basic generall knowledge about the game and the only videos i'm gonna be watching is the videos in the NL BC. After i've finished the course and i'm capable to master everything i've learned there, then i would consider maybe watch some other advanced trainingvideos, don't you think?

Articles column and quizzes

I'm gonna finish the NL BC which is about the same i guess?

Strategy discussions

I've already discussed alot with you and mbml and i've just realised that it's nearly pointless to discuss with anyone before i know more about the game. But after i've finish the course, then i've probably gonna discuss. But now i can't see the benefit with it. But I can ask you if there's something in the course i don't understand ofc.

Hand evaluations

I am gonna continue to post hands on the Hand Evaluation Forum and i think this is just a + while i'm finishing the course. And it's a part of the course aswell.

So my question is: Is this a good plan? This is how i think i would have learned best and i don't like to work on too many things at one time. I like to learn one concept first and then move on to the next concept after i've mastered it.

Hi Hvard92,

Re: live coachings

Veriz is no longer a part of PS so he does not have any coachings going on.

However, I run a coaching session tailored to beginners every Sunday. You can find more details here: http://www.pokerstrategy.com/coaching/

Keep up the good work,

Best regards,

Bogdan

Originally posted by hvard92
I have some questions in relation to Lesson 2

1. "The odds of making a straight are 5:1 against you. This means you will only make your hand in one of the six cases."
So 5:1 means that i win one six cases not that i win 1 of 5 times. Like 5:1 = 5+1= 6= 6/1? I have to be shure=P

Yes, it would be 1 in 6, so in other words you don't hit 5 times for every time you hit.

2. Lesson 2>Mathematics>Mathematics of Poker: Odds and Outs>Page 3> Example 2

"You do have a flush draw, but since it is weak, you can only count on 6-7 outs."
Why do i have to discount 6-7 outs here? Isn't always the outs for a FD 9?

Because not all of your outs are live, meaning that you won't always win when you hit.

But to answer your question, yes you always have 9 outs to hit a flush but at times you can't consider all.

For example when villain holds a set so the card taht gives you a flush and pairs the board he wins, and not you.

3. Lesson 2>Mathematics>Mathematics of Poker: Odds and Outs>Page 3> Example 5

"You bet on the flop with an OESD; your opponent raises. You have 8 outs and two over cards, which allow you to add another 2-3 outs."

Why not 6 outs? 3 kings and 3queens? and the flop is rainbow too.

Same principle like last question. You can't count all of your outs because sometimes they are not live. Example: he raises a set on the flop so Q and K are not outs.

4. How many players can be in a pot without discounting cards?

I don't understand your question?

5. Is it more methods of inducing bluffs and signal weakness than checking and betting small?

Sometimes raising small may induce as well.

6. Can i give myself good odds for drawing? Forexample:
-NL2
-Flushdraw
-Pot: 0,12
-I bet: 0,3 (like a call). If someone starts raising me, i just stop with it immediately.I probably won't be getting implied odds since my bet is a little bit obvious but if i hit, i win the pot and i will win in the long run right? I can't do it in the higher limits but maybe NL2?

You generally don't want to bet small versus aggressive guys. And if the guy is passive you can see a cheap pot anyway.

7. Weak Tight Players: As described, i can't really see the difference between the Weak Tight Player and the Nit. What is the difference?

Nit implies that the opponent is tight in general however weak tight player means a guy that plays scared.

8. This is from BONUS: Crushing NL50>Blind stealing

"You can raise some hands against loose players with big stacks, but you have to be sure to have a higher potential for medium-strong hands. This is because you will often enter into the showdown and your opponents will fold a smaller number of similar hands. You will get a positive EV after the flop not so much because your opponents are folding but rather by winning the showdown itself."

Can you describe in an easy way what "higher potential for medium-strong hands" means? I understand all the words but i can't figure out what the sentence means

Against tight opponents, however, you have to pay attention to the potential for hands that are hard to recognise and very strong (sets, flushes, straights), not so much to pairs. These very rarely make it into the showdown in the first place, because you or your opponent would be very likely to fold beforehand.

I'm stuck with the same problem here too

In the future it would be good to keep the questions split up a bit so you make sure you can remember/keep track of all the answers.

As far as this question goes: "higher potential for medium-strong hands" means playing hands that have the potential to flop a big hand (generally big pairs).

So compare QJ with 75. With QJ you flop better medium strong hands (pairs)

Re: live coachings Veriz is no longer a part of PS so he does not have any coachings going on. However, I run a coaching session tailored to beginners every Sunday. You can find more details here: http://www.pokerstrategy.com/coaching/ Keep up the good work,

I know he isn't part of PS anymore but his recorded livecoachings are part of the NL BC so it's that i'm referring too. I will check out your coachings aswell. Thanks for supporting me.

Because not all of your outs are live, meaning that you won't always win when you hit. But to answer your question, yes you always have 9 outs to hit a flush but at times you can't consider all. For example when villain holds a set so the card taht gives you a flush and pairs the board he wins, and not you.

Flop: J :spade:T :spade:T

(All players limped)

I think i get it. If i have a FD, bet it and then he call, he could call with 9 :diamond:9 and if he hits his 9 he fills up. But that is only 1 out i would have to discount. If several opponents called, then i maybe would have discount more even tho it's not realistic they would call with worse than an 99. Have i got it?

3. Lesson 2>Mathematics>Mathematics of Poker: Odds and Outs>Page 3> Example 5 "You bet on the flop with an OESD; your opponent raises. You have 8 outs and two over cards, which allow you to add another 2-3 outs." Why not 6 outs? 3 kings and 3queens? and the flop is rainbow too.

Coach: "Same principle like last question. You can't count all of your outs because sometimes they are not live. Example: he raises a set on the flop so Q and K are not outs."

Yes i see it now. But why not discount all kings and queens here like you said? What does the example 5 means with discounting only 2-3 outs? I just don't understand. Why should i discount only 3 outs here if any K or Q doesn't help me? If he has a set or two pair, K or Q of will not help me more than K or Q of hearts. Do you know what i mean?

4. How many players can be in a pot without discounting cards?
I don't understand your question?

haha, ofc not. Sorry. I ment How many players can be in a pot before discounting forexample 2 outs of an OESD on a :spade: board.

8. This is from BONUS: Crushing NL50>Blind stealing "You can raise some hands against loose players with big stacks, but you have to be sure to have a higher potential for medium-strong hands. This is because you will often enter into the showdown and your opponents will fold a smaller number of similar hands. You will get a positive EV after the flop not so much because your opponents are folding but rather by winning the showdown itself."

"but you have to be sure to have a higher potential for medium-strong hands" . Can this be simplified to beating his range?

" This is because you will often enter into the showdown and your opponents will fold a smaller number of similar hands" They will fold a smaller number of similar hands? Does loose players fold TJ+ QJ+ in the blinds? It doesn't make sense to me.

"You will get a positive EV after the flop not so much because your opponents are folding but rather by winning the showdown itself"

Is it just me or is the sentence a bit weird?

"you will get a positive EV after the flop (i'm thinking, ok i will get +EV after the flop) not so much (so it isn't +EV?) Because your opponents are folding (ok so their usually folding) but rather by winning the showdown itself (what? are they folding or calling ?(?

The JTT is only one example... It could be that he has a set on Js Th 6s 2h and then the Ts or 2s give him a fullhouse, thus 2 outs are gone.

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You don't discount all K and Q because he doesn't ALWAYS have those hands that would make your K and Q bad outs. So clearly you want to estimate it somehow and that's how you estimate, by removing some outs. You cannot be perfect when estimating (that's why it's called an estimation).

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It can be 1 players or 2+. It all depends on the player. Can he have the flush draw? Can he have sets? 2p? Etc.

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Loose players do not fold QJ and TJ type hands in the blinds. hence why they are called "loose".

The last statement says that you have a higher EV play because you win more at showdown (and NOT because they are folding).

Bogdan

You can raise some hands against loose players with big stacks, but you have to be sure to have a higher potential for medium-strong hands.

Does this mean that i could raise medium strong hands like broadways and that i will make profit of them when i raise forexample QJ and they call with like Q7s? Is it other handtypes than broadways i could raise with in this situation?

and your opponents will fold a smaller number of similar hands

What does this mean?

Or could you just simplify all the sentences here? If you could translate it like i'm retarded, i would highly appreciate it:

This is from BONUS: Crushing NL50>Blind stealing "You can raise some hands against loose players with big stacks, but you have to be sure to have a higher potential for medium-strong hands. This is because you will often enter into the showdown and your opponents will fold a smaller number of similar hands. You will get a positive EV after the flop not so much because your opponents are folding but rather by winning the showdown itself."

Probably a very easy content, but the way the sentences is typed in is very difficult for me to understand.

We isolate fish with broadways and big hands because they call all type of crap like the Q7 you listed. So yes we want to raise those.

This is from BONUS: Crushing NL50>Blind stealing "You can raise some hands against loose players with big stacks, but you have to be sure to have a higher potential for medium-strong hands. This is because you will often enter into the showdown and your opponents will fold a smaller number of similar hands. You will get a positive EV after the flop not so much because your opponents are folding but rather by winning the showdown itself."

This simply states what we talked about above. You want to have the high cards so you can flop more medium strength hands. So if you flop a pair of Q on a Qxx and villain has a weaker Qx (like the Q7) they will likely not fold it ("and your opponents will fold a smaller number of similar hands").

That's it.

So you play hands that dominate the hands they play.