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oh yeah an example of a model which involves playing GTO poker is the nash equilibrium. It is used in Hu situations to simplify the game, especially in tourneys.
http://www.holdemresources.net/hr/sngs/hune.html
Originally posted by EmanuelC16
Originally posted by gsergiul
My badWith shortstack I know the game is "quite" figured out but even then I doubt gto is better than some other strategy adapted to your fellow players as they are not playing GTO
GTO is about you not being exploited not about exploiting the maximum out of your opponents.
For example, if you play rock/paper/scissors, the GTO strategy is choosing 1/3 of the time each. But if you know your opponents chooses 100% of the time rock, your best strategy is to choose 100% of the time paper.
Oh, and don't get fooled by the example into thinking GTO is 0EV. It is +EV but not MaxEV in all situations. That's why reads and dynamics affect ranges and MaxEV play.
This pretty much nails it. Playing limit I would say I 'aspire' to playing GTO against the winning players at higher stakes. In practice I am not going to be playing GTO but that is the benchmark I would use to judge the hand in analysis afterwards - against regs at 5/T and above. When I'm playing 2/4 I'd say I'm playing mostly exploitatively.
A good thing about GTO is getting close to it is a good strategy, its not one of these situations where you have to be bang on the money for it to be OK.
Originally posted by NightFrostaSS
Originally posted by sandymanufan
m sorry but wil someone tell me what s GTO.?It's like GTFO but without an F
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Originally posted by EmanuelC16
if you play rock/paper/scissors, the GTO strategy is choosing 1/3 of the time each. But if you know your opponents chooses 100% of the time rock, your best strategy is to choose 100% of the time paper.Oh, and don't get fooled by the example into thinking GTO is 0EV. It is +EV but not MaxEV in all situations. That's why reads and dynamics affect ranges and MaxEV play.
i guess you mean a situation where you know villain will choose rock every time in the future? in that case, yes, take paper every time.
but a more likely scenario is that he has been taking rock 100% of the time but might adapt if he notices you playing paper 100%. in this case you should take paper the first time and the take paper less than 100% but more than 100/3% of the time, finding the balance is the interesting part.
about EV: if everyone plays GTO, then it is zero EV; and negative EV with rake.
Originally posted by Kruppe
Originally posted by EmanuelC16
if you play rock/paper/scissors, the GTO strategy is choosing 1/3 of the time each. But if you know your opponents chooses 100% of the time rock, your best strategy is to choose 100% of the time paper.Oh, and don't get fooled by the example into thinking GTO is 0EV. It is +EV but not MaxEV in all situations. That's why reads and dynamics affect ranges and MaxEV play.
i guess you mean a situation where you know villain will choose rock every time in the future? in that case, yes, take paper every time.
but a more likely scenario is that he has been taking rock 100% of the time but might adapt if he notices you playing paper 100%. in this case you should take paper the first time and the take paper less than 100% but more than 100/3% of the time, finding the balance is the interesting part.about EV: if everyone plays GTO, then it is zero EV; and negative EV with rake.
I see you are trying to use an exploitative strategy based on his recent history. The GTO one is just to choose each option a third of the time - and there is no need for us to discuss game shows and cars/goats.
Note that if he knows we are choosing each option a third of the time, and that we won't change from this GTO strategy, he may as well choose rock every time. His EV will be as good as any versus our play.
you forget that another GTO option would be not to play at all because its EV neutral ♦
Originally posted by verneer
For example, if we play paper-rock-scissors and I randomly pick each option with 33% frequency, you cannot come up with a counter-strategy which gives you an edge against my strategy.
There is one: Soulreading ♠_cool: ♠_biggrin:
Originally posted by NightFrostaSS
Originally posted by sandymanufan
m sorry but wil someone tell me what s GTO.?It's like GTFO but without an F
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Originally posted by RedHeater
Originally posted by EmanuelC16
Originally posted by gsergiul
My badGTO is about you not being exploited not about exploiting the maximum out of your opponents.
For example, if you play rock/paper/scissors, the GTO strategy is choosing 1/3 of the time each. But if you know your opponents chooses 100% of the time rock, your best strategy is to choose 100% of the time paper.
Oh, and don't get fooled by the example into thinking GTO is 0EV. It is +EV but not MaxEV in all situations. That's why reads and dynamics affect ranges and MaxEV play.
This pretty much nails it. Playing limit I would say I 'aspire' to playing GTO against the winning players at higher stakes. In practice I am not going to be playing GTO but that is the benchmark I would use to judge the hand in analysis afterwards - against regs at 5/T and above. When I'm playing 2/4 I'd say I'm playing mostly exploitatively.
A good thing about GTO is getting close to it is a good strategy, its not one of these situations where you have to be bang on the money for it to be OK.
even in LHE GTO is such a weird way to play, regs just don't do it. if you've seen polaris' stats in FLHU you'd know what i mean
Originally posted by chenny8888
Originally posted by RedHeater
Originally posted by EmanuelC16
Originally posted by gsergiul
My badGTO is about you not being exploited not about exploiting the maximum out of your opponents.
For example, if you play rock/paper/scissors, the GTO strategy is choosing 1/3 of the time each. But if you know your opponents chooses 100% of the time rock, your best strategy is to choose 100% of the time paper.
Oh, and don't get fooled by the example into thinking GTO is 0EV. It is +EV but not MaxEV in all situations. That's why reads and dynamics affect ranges and MaxEV play.
This pretty much nails it. Playing limit I would say I 'aspire' to playing GTO against the winning players at higher stakes. In practice I am not going to be playing GTO but that is the benchmark I would use to judge the hand in analysis afterwards - against regs at 5/T and above. When I'm playing 2/4 I'd say I'm playing mostly exploitatively.
A good thing about GTO is getting close to it is a good strategy, its not one of these situations where you have to be bang on the money for it to be OK.
even in LHE GTO is such a weird way to play, regs just don't do it. if you've seen polaris' stats in FLHU you'd know what i mean
Yes I have read the book by Phil Newall that goes over the way Polaris plays. The regs don't play like this though! I don't know if those plays of Polaris really are GTO. It comes up with a type of balancing its true. At the end of the day I think that is all we can do. Take account of the value of alpha and balance accordingly. I still haven't seen an adequate explanation of alpha in some multiple street situations, and to be honest I don't know if anyone has really worked all that out. If they have, I reckon they are keeping it to themselves.