33, should we call here?

If i would play this i would over jam to isolate you with the utg player who is probably desperate for chips atm. As he walks in to the blinds next bb and will only have 2 bbs left.

Its a fold preflop and its not even close. Ignore utg he has any two. If he folded its a marginal shove 20bb into 4. But with the utg's shove you lose all fold equity and now your only around 59%equity vs a random hand with four 20bb stacks that can call behind with a higher pp crushing your equity.

So your like 59% equity vs utg + blinds and antes if you win. But vs a calling range of 99 aq+ from the 20bb stacks your totally crushed even if they dont call that often.

Originally posted by Targetme
Its a fold. Ignore utg he has any two. If he folded its a marginal shove 20bb into 4. But with the utg's shove you lose all fold equity and now your only around 59%equity vs a random hand with four 20bb stacks that can call behind with a higher pp crushing your equity.

So your like 59% equity vs utg + blinds and antes if you win. But vs a calling range of 99 aq+ from the 20bb stacks your totally crushed even if they dont call that often.

Oh you called I assume you isolated why would you ever call off 1/5.5 your stack thats like poker 101 . You have three options folding raisin or calling. Calling is the only major mistake. Also there only 10bb deep behind (my bad) you so raising allin is not as bad

would u iso shove with QQ+,AK+?

Originally posted by TheRebuz
would u iso shove with QQ+,AK+?

QQ ak Yes 100% there equity isint that great against villians reshove ranges. I might flat kk or aces at a fishy table but probably not at this spot seems too short. My iso range is also pretty wide here (although I hate small pp's) so its good to balance vs thniking players

shove pre yourself, as played it looks like a call. we have only 10bb effective against the rest of the table and if it's folded to you we have a SNAPshove.

Originally posted by chenny8888
shove pre yourself, as played it looks like a call.(FLAT TO LOOK STRONGER, SO U THINK THAT WE GOT TO CALL OFF NOW GETTING SUCH BIG POT ODDS?)
we have only 10bb effective against the rest of the table and
if it's folded to you we have a SNAPshove.(AGREE)

Just shove your full range here rather than flatting some, you should never be flat/folding so it shouldn't matter.