Too early to shove?

problem with open raising is that if you are just called and miss the flop, you have to bluff shove pretty much to stop villain calling.

Open shoving will only be called by a pair, or at best (for you) AQ so you will generally be flippin

limp is outta the question, personally I'd prob make it 650 and shove any dry board

I'd be intersted to hear others opinions as I'm in this situ myself often

Open shoving will only be called by a pair, or at best (for you) AQ so you will generally be flippin

I think you underestimate how bad players are in $0.23 tournaments In low BI tournaments up to $11 I see players calling with stuff like AT or KQ here, for whatever reason.

That aside, considering the antes in play, I shove here all the time, no questions asked.

If there are indeed no antes in play it's a pretty ugly spot due to your stack size. In this case though, with two relatively short stacks directly behind you, you'll almost always at least have position because CO and BU will most likely always shove rather than call, if they decide to play. But the same can often be said for the blinds, because you're relatively short yourself, so they could easily just shove over the top.

If you do get to a flop though, what you do really depends on your opponent, but I think that speaks for itself, pretty much. If you don't hit the flop, you may not want to cbet and just look for a better spot. Then again, if your opponent is very tight, it actually might be worth cbetting a very dry flop. Long story short, there's a lot of options here in many different situations. Generally I would just give up though and look for a better spot.

But again, considering the antes, I shove here all the time.

I agree, at those stakes ill shove AK without thinking twice for 15bb, you have no clue how light you can be called at these stakes if you think KQ/AT is the worst they gonna show up with, lots of people still believe in the power of the naked ace. lol

They served just as an example to point out that you will not only get called by 22+/AQ+

Who knows, you might get called by Q7s because "omg suited!!" Some people seriously are bad enough to do that...

quite right, when i replied to this it was in the main tournaments sectiona nd thought it was a $23 dollar touney

and yeah, no questions about shipping here

In micro buyin tournaments the shove should be maxEV. You don't want to play the hand multiway on a low flop. If you get it in pre you will see 5 cards for sure (which is important for AK). Your opponents should still call light in these buyins.

Regards,
Asaban