[Closed] NL400SH: Top 2 in weird spot on turn

No reads on Villain btw.

Fold preflop. As played I would call turn raise aswell but would fold river when he pushes. I don't see him doing this with worse hand than yours, only a bluff but doesn't seem like a bluff to me.

I should mention that the button had an ATS of 44%. Against this player I think a fold preflop with KJo is too weak.

Originally posted by Timor83
I should mention that the button had an ATS of 44%. Against this player I think a fold preflop with KJo is too weak.

resteal preflop? Dont take me so serious, im just a newb.

the only hand he could take this line and has us beat is q 9 imo . if i decide i wanna see the river i would shove turn because he can take this line with j10 asweel or t9 , tq and he will go with his hand most of the time and if a Q or a 9 comes on the river would be hard to call a river bet again

Originally posted by helemaalnicks

Originally posted by Timor83
I should mention that the button had an ATS of 44%. Against this player I think a fold preflop with KJo is too weak.

resteal preflop? Dont take me so serious, im just a newb.

i was also thinking that, but then realised that a resteal would have pretty bad reverse implied. just because he's stealing wide doesn't mean he's calling 3bets wide :P.

and then we're OOP in a massively bloated pot.

i think call is OK pre, and i'd probably go broke on this turn if i feel his range is so wide to include worse 2pairs, and draws.

Originally posted by helemaalnicks

Originally posted by Timor83
I should mention that the button had an ATS of 44%. Against this player I think a fold preflop with KJo is too weak.

resteal preflop? Dont take me so serious, im just a newb.

re-steal is fine, especially with the (pretty much) dead money in the pot. Flat call is awful though, but as played I shove the turn

flatcall makes it very cheap for bb to hop along to, that seems bad to me. You probably have enough FE towards ATS44-guy to justify a simple 60$ resteal.

3bet or fold preflop, calling is horrible.

As played bet/fold flop.

well i'd much prefer a fold preflop, but a call is really not the worst, lol.

btw, as played, check/call flop = check/raise flop >>>>>>>>>>>>> bet/folding flop!!!!!! yikes.

or check/fold flop if you get action from both players.

I advise you not to resteal with such a bad hand-->it will be difficult to get out of the pot if you hit your top pair.

Here I reraise with 22+,AJ+,KQ.

If you realise he folds very often to 3-bets, then broaden up your range.

Ok, opinions are divided so it seems.

- Again, I think folding preflop is just too weak. We have one limper and a button who steals with 44% of his hands. Even KJo is ahead of that range. Calling preflop OOP with a hand like this is bad, so there's one options left: 3-betting. If we get called we have a hand that's potentially dominated, but we'll find out soon enough as people tend to play more straightforward in 3-bet pots.
- On the flop, I think a donkbet is best. It gives us both information about BB and buttons hand, and if we get action from both of them we can reasonably assume that our hand is no good. So we can check/fold the turn. If BB raises, we fold. If BB calls and button raises, we fold. If BB folds and button calls, we reeavaluate on the turn, and if button raises, we fold.
- On the turn, I think calling the raise is fine. We haven't shown any strength so far, so BB could be thinking we're just stabbing at this one, and he could be making this line with a hand like KQ, a flushdraw, other two-pair type hand (T8,TJ,KT) or a straightdraw+ pair (QT,QJ), but also with sets (88 most likely because he might reraise TT,JJ,KK preflop and we have both a K and a J).
- On the river, the flush completes and he still shoves all in for a potsized bet. At this point a 2pair type hand becomes less likely as he probably wouldn't be this aggressive with that hand, after me donkbetting the turn and calling his raise. So his range is more skewed towards a set or a completed flush, and a fold is in order.

Originally posted by Timor83
Ok, opinions are divided so it seems.

- On the flop, I think a donkbet is best. It gives us both information about BB and buttons hand, and if we get action from both of them we can reasonably assume that our hand is no good. So we can check/fold the turn. If BB raises, we fold. If BB calls and button raises, we fold. If BB folds and button calls, we reeavaluate on the turn, and if button raises, we fold.

donkbet looks very very strong here (leading into two people always does, and even moreso in 3bet pot) and is kinda turning your hand into a bluff on that board,.
i mean you really rep either a set, a straight or a huge draw that you want to bet/3bet so I guess it is good if you think both have nothing and aren't to likely to play back, but you are bloating the pot with top pair bad kicker(you only beat K9 really) and huge reverse implied odds OOP, which is kinda suicidal

I would prefer check/call and reevaluate on the turn, as your bet for info is really versatile (he might call with AK, raise w/ something like Q9hh or the opposite) so you will most likely make the wrong decision of folding to a raise from a hand you re actually ahead of and second barrel a blank turn against AK,

I would probably just 3-bet to calm him down.
Problem with light 3-betting is that players would start making light 4-bet and next step is all-in bluffs.
But if you hadn´t give him any action then 3-bet pf is my standard line.
I like to c/c flop, donkbet just says that you have K or draw and he is re-raising with best hands, calling with draws and folding all the rest.
It is also hard to play turn, if he calls, because c/f is too weak if you don´t improver and I don´t also like c/c. But bet/fold might not be the best, since he would call down anyway with KQ, AK.
I would shove or fold turn.
No point calling and then see what BB does on the river.
He would check if draw misses, shoves with sets, and made hands.
I would probably just fold turn since it seems that he hit straight or slowplayed set on the flop.
Don´t see why he should be making play here with flushdraw or two pair.

CO calls $4.00, BU raises to $18.00, Hero calls $16.00

bu might raise more hands to isolate CO

in this spot with CO most of the time calling i dont like KJ multiway

- for short, [3 bet = fold] > call dominated hand in multiwaypot
if you want to 3 bet or not you have decide at the table.

without Co, call or 3bet is fine

turn and river is soil read
depends on table dynamic and villain´s tilt status.

I would cross out the flush because this would be a very unlikely line.

straight set 1 pair overpairs 2 pairs random blow ups a lot is possible.