5PLO Hand

If you decide to call this terrible hand preflop OOP - you have to stick with it ^^

This is a bad spot to call and see a flop even though I'm getting 4:1? If there wasn't previous callers I'd definitely fold but I figured 2 other callers gave me good enough equity to make this play. What would the bottom of your calling range be in this spot pf?

This is my view...and I am still learning and no way near where i need to be skill wise hence this is my first ever analysis in a forum (wish me luck).

Anyway.

So lets look at the basics, We know the hand will be multiway and you have the benefit of closing the preflop action.

However what nuttiness quality does the hand have?

1 - You can hit top set if flop comes T high...

What are the drawbacks?:

1 - You have a T high flush possibility.
2 - You are OOP - this...this sucks alot, especially with one dimensional hand.

Its a one dimensional hand really with a backup fd which might help you out. I think the call is fine preflop as long as you know what the plan is post-flop.

The PFR'r weak-stabbed/continuation bet which would be nice to re-raise had the dealer just called (if the dealer folded you could flat and let him take a stab on the turn if you think he would). The continuation bet would likely be an overpair, as a set/straight would usually bet pot and the flop is rainbow. The dealer would usually raise a straight in this position (he has no reason to believe you have a hand due to your check). Hence he raised.

Yes he may of had middle/bottom set thinking you were weak and the pfr had AA but I still dont think you can call on the information you have at that point unless you have a read on the raiser.

would be nice if people agree/disagree with me as I would like to get my mindest down.

Originally posted by Jackalof
If you decide to call this terrible hand preflop OOP - you have to stick with it ^^

This, I think you should get away pre but after you made the play I think you just let it ride out and play accordingly

Assuming the BTN has 78xx - which he will show up with almost always - you have:

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
3,589,960 trials (Exhaustive)
board: T♠9♦6♥
ThTcKs7c 41.38% (1,324,935 wins, 321,416 ties)
78xx 58.62% (1,943,609 wins, 321,416 ties)

So, 41% equity vs the nuts. On this basis you don't have the odds to call unless you think BB will come along (and he may have blockers to your outs)

And this is a fold pre-flop in my opinion in a 4-way pot you need to be thinking about the nuts. This kind of hands has RIO 4 ways and even if you flop a set you will often be up against one or more draws that have good equity against you.

Originally posted by pennerg57
This is a bad spot to call and see a flop even though I'm getting 4:1? If there wasn't previous callers I'd definitely fold but I figured 2 other callers gave me good enough equity to make this play. What would the bottom of your calling range be in this spot pf?

What do odds matter? They only matter in a fact that you ''only'' have to win the hand 1 out of 4 times to be breakeven on a call. But realistically your not winning this hand 1 out of 4 times when it goes 4 way, more likely being OOP your c/f the flop 9 out of 10 times and lose more money when you flop marginal like in this hand.

You pretty much flopped the nuts for your hand and you were forced to fold. What kind of flop we're you hoping for if your c/f the #2 nuts? The problem is being OOP and multiway is that your just so dominated with your low pair and bad FD you just end up flopping #2 or #3rd best hands so often that you just end up losing even more money postflop.

The completion pre-flop for .02 was fine but when the BB raised you should fold as you have to play the hand out of position to a raiser and 2 cold callers.
Now that you have seen the flop the only way you should call is if you think the original better is going to call. If you think he is then go ahead and get your money in as you will then the correct pot odds to call.
However, having said all that in this instance it doesn't look likely so a fold is definately in order.
Therfore you played the hand 1/2 right IMO and lost 6BB to many on the hand.

yea, naked TT on sb is just evil....reverse implied odds >>>> implied odds here....I don´t think its profitable to play any pair just for set value from sb even when getting super good odds (except AA**r). I would still call KKr here and maybe sometimes QQ if I knew its gonna be multiway but U just end up in so many sick spots posftlop that folding pretty much everything except naked AA and maybe KK should be best play...

One thing I would like to add here.
At these stakes the post flop raiser will have 8-9 100% of the time but if we were playing $5-$10 blinds and up I would get my money in if I had of seen the flop with the 10s, which I wouldn't have as I stated before, but if I did, at those stakes people tend to have more imagination in the game and they would be just as likly to have a set of 7s or 6s as the 8-9. Very seldom does anyone call and players of that calibre, as well as an imagination are quite willing to raise with either of those sets in that position in order to protect them, and to make you think they may have the 8-9. Sort of a protection raise that if it goes wrong and another hand has 8-9 then they still have lots of outs. As well they will also be trying to get a bigger set out with the raise.
The better the player the more imagination they have. Oh and just so you know just because they play for higher stakes doesn't necessarily make them better. They just may have deeper pockets.
If you want ot be a winning Omaha player then follow these simple rules.

1-Play within your means.---No undo pressure on your thinking because of your bank roll.

2-Play your position.---It eliminates alot of tough spots you will find yourself when you play out of position.

3-Play your opponent. By studing and knowing your opponent, making marginal bets and calls become second nature. No since trying to bluff a rock now is there?

4-Run like Jason Mercier---:)