Another comparison of traffic on 200nl and 100nl
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ugh I woke up at 4:00 am (11:00 gmt) in the hopes of finding some traffic 
There are literally no $1 FR games playing right now. I guess I'll wait for closer to peak hours. I that's already a nail in the coffin as far as I'm concerned though. I need to get 6-8 hours of play time in a day and if it's so dead that the last tournament has finished before the next one started then it's pointless to stay at this site (betfred.)
which site has the most players? I can't play a site that only has 6 tables running. (Will Hill). I figured that they were meant to have ALL the tables, and the smaller networks were meant to have not been included in some.
It seems like they are now completely seperate.
You're in the good sites. Will hill, Titan, 770, 365, and Paddy all have a player pool to themselves. Everybody else has a smaller player pool full of rakeback regs. As far as I can understand it, if you're playing in a limit that is segregated, it is completely separate. That's probably why all of the traffic I was hoping for is gone. Betfred is in the 2nd tier where only a handful of players are actually on right now. (the 1 SNGS haven't filled a tournament in over an hour now for reference, I was 4-6 tabling these things yesterday.)
That's just what I understand of it though. Best sites get their own separate theoretically fish filled wonderland. Even if we played the same stakes we wouldn't see the same tables from the sounds of it.
G.
I think this is something that will improve with time. As people realise that Ipoker 2 is full of 20-50bb table grinders they will make the move to the Ipoker 1 skins and improve traffic.
Also since the Ipoker 1 skins spend a lot more money on advertising etc there should be a lot more fish.
It seems to me to be a gradual roll out of the split which is why everything seems to screwy right now (Pool2 sites having more tables than Pool1 at some stakes etc).
Hopefully they'll sort it out in a day or two...not very encouraging though ipoker.
Edit: Does anyone have any idea the kind of percentage of the 11k players online now that are from Hills/titan/bet365 etc. I'd be quite interested to know...
i think TFMonty posts were very enlightening ♠_thumbsup:
the big skins are going to eat the small and if i am correct that will lead many of them to leave ipoker or close for good
i have small accounts to poker770 , gala , mansion , william hill and tried other ipoker clients as well.. what i want to say is irrelevant but i am amazed that no one mentioned the real problem of ipoker.. that f****** god damn card generator..
i have very good things to say about poker770 support , but for me ipoker is a criminal organization that ruins poker and turn it to bingo , we players owe to make them understand that we are not retarded
i read on an other forum , that every month around 4000 players leave ipoker.. keep it up boys
This is propably a good thing in the long term for iPoker. The I-poker network was huge and uncontrollable. A lot of the smaller skins had/have shady stuff going on.
Short term I just hope that the shortstack grinders stay away from Speed Poker.. since it's one of the few things that won't have split player pool. Speed Poker is the only way to get "decent" volume on Ipoker that does not include rage-throwing your pc out the window every couple of days.
Lets hope they can bridge the gap till Full Tilt is back and running. Even though there are sweet rakeback deals to be found on iPoker, it still doesn't compare to the decent rakeback and far superior software/traffic Full Tilt used to have.
Originally posted by Jimanyjerk
You're in the good sites. Will hill, Titan, 770, 365, and Paddy all have a player pool to themselves. Everybody else has a smaller player pool full of rakeback regs. As far as I can understand it, if you're playing in a limit that is segregated, it is completely separate. That's probably why all of the traffic I was hoping for is gone. Betfred is in the 2nd tier where only a handful of players are actually on right now. (the 1 SNGS haven't filled a tournament in over an hour now for reference, I was 4-6 tabling these things yesterday.)That's just what I understand of it though. Best sites get their own separate theoretically fish filled wonderland. Even if we played the same stakes we wouldn't see the same tables from the sounds of it.
G.
yup keep believing the propganda..........Hills/Titan are 2 of the worst offenders for under the table rakeback and it is def not true that all, or indeed most of the now "reg" iPoker1 skins are dominated by regs and have no fish, jus as it is untrue to say that all of Hills/365/paddy/titan etc are full of fish and no regs.
yes hills/titan etc are bigger skins and have a larger player base but vs all the smaller skins combined then maybe they are not so much bigger.
Originally posted by CallumN
I think this is something that will improve with time. As people realise that Ipoker 2 is full of 20-50bb table grinders they will make the move to the Ipoker 1 skins and improve traffic.Also since the Ipoker 1 skins spend a lot more money on advertising etc there should be a lot more fish.
Thats the whole point its not, the only people spreading this misinformation are affliates who have a vested interest (like yourselves) in trying to get people signing up to different skins.
Originally posted by riouzaki
i think TFMonty posts were very enlightening ♠_thumbsup:the big skins are going to eat the small and if i am correct that will lead many of them to leave ipoker or close for good
i have small accounts to poker770 , gala , mansion , william hill and tried other ipoker clients as well.. what i want to say is irrelevant but i am amazed that no one mentioned the real problem of ipoker.. that f****** god damn card generator..
i have very good things to say about poker770 support , but for me ipoker is a criminal organization that ruins poker and turn it to bingo , we players owe to make them understand that we are not retarded
i read on an other forum , that every month around 4000 players leave ipoker.. keep it up boys
yeah I put that up on 2+2.
iPoker are too dumb to realise that they have now confirmed this as fact, for people not quite with me let me exlpain.
850 new members per month= criterai for iPoker2, 4,250 players new players are arriving on the network each month as we have 5 skins on iPoker2. Yet iPokers traffic has been decreasing month on month for at least a year now, so if they are gettign 4k new players per month then more than 4k players per month must be leaving, which is a pretty shocking as the network is only goign 1 way, down the pan. iPoker should be focused on player retention.
I play on a iPoker1 skin - the bad crappy side according to the propganda being put around, and I will stay there and play, if the games go then I will leave and there is 0 chance i will put a penny into iPOker2. Looks like they are on the way to 4,001 for next month
The videos in 2 plus 2 of the bots on ipoker is shocking and they won't do anything about them.
Shocked at the bots info on iPoker.
There are so bots many bots, even at lower limits that the data sample is rigged (see conclusion)
http://www.ispokerrigged.com/is_ipoker_rigged.html
Originally posted by TFMonty
Originally posted by CallumN
I think this is something that will improve with time. As people realise that Ipoker 2 is full of 20-50bb table grinders they will make the move to the Ipoker 1 skins and improve traffic.Also since the Ipoker 1 skins spend a lot more money on advertising etc there should be a lot more fish.
Thats the whole point its not, the only people spreading this misinformation are affliates who have a vested interest (like yourselves) in trying to get people signing up to different skins.
Well said TFMonty,
and thank you for informing us about this.
You saved me from wasting my time & effort on iPoker network, playing against bots.
Originally posted by TFMonty
Originally posted by riouzaki
that every month around 4000 players leave ipoker.. keep it up boysiPoker are too dumb to realise that they have now confirmed this as fact, for people not quite with me let me exlpain.
So if the company goes bad, they should do nothing about it, no restructuring etc., because the customers see the vulnerabilities of the company. Thus iPoker should just go bankrupt slowly but surely or iPoker should just loose money that could be saved. Yeah probably there could have been other things iPoker could have done, or mabye not; this is their own problem.
But by your logic, a company who wants to cut down the losses is managed poorly. Restructuring is needed to stay alive and be able to compete toe to toe with the others in the field.
From your type of logic I could easily imply Poker Strategy is in the same boat and that it is managed poorly or has problems and it is on a real downswing. It could be so or not, doesn't matter. But cutting down the meaningless losses and at the same time keeping a good and firendly atmosphere is what every company wants.
We'll see what effects these changes in iPoker will have in the long term. I don't really care, since there are other companies on the market.
It is well known as said TFMonty that there are under the tables rakeback deals on the bigger ipoker skins such as Titan.Willaim Hill etc...
This is untrue to say that shaddy skins are polluting the Ipoker network with their rakeback deals. They are only doing what every skin is doing.
The only difference is that they don't spend money on marketing and this is unacceptable for the so called "clean" big skins.
In my opinion the ipoker split is just a move from the big skins to try to get rid of the smaller skins by getting the players to move from a small skins to theirs by claiming that ipoker1 is full of fish.
To be fair, ipoker isn't the only network losing players, according to pokerscout almost all have been gradually going down over the last six months.
Also the affiliates that I'm familiar with that used to offer under the table deals at ipoker have now changed their offers to FDB and rakerace type deals.
Just on a side note I did a quick count last night on nl4-nl400 6max tables. There were approx 180 tables running on the top tier and 85 on the lower tier. Now taking a massive generalization that still leaves the top tier with more cash players than anyone except partypoker. Not very scientific I know, but maybe we'll know more over the next few weeks.
Originally posted by CallumN
I think this is something that will improve with time. As people realise that Ipoker 2 is full of 20-50bb table grinders they will make the move to the Ipoker 1 skins and improve traffic.Also since the Ipoker 1 skins spend a lot more money on advertising etc there should be a lot more fish.
this is totaly not true
BetFred , Genting , Boyles & Mansion spend millions £ on advertising every year , like English Premier League teams & Snooker World Championship
William Hill spends very little & only Bet365 & PaddyPower is like the other big sportsbooks